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re: Mega church Pastor resigns, apologizes to LGBT Mafia

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Posted by razthecat
Bay Minette, AL
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 7/29/19 at 4:17 pm to
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No it's not if option b is the person or God killing your or throwing you to Hell there is no rational second option. That's how dictators rule



Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41669 posts
Posted on 7/29/19 at 4:19 pm to
Funny, but completely leaves out the part where the person on the other side of the door has been executing treason against the King all their life and the King is offering an opportunity of pardon before they are executed for their treason.
Posted by Boatshoes
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Posted on 7/29/19 at 4:20 pm to
There's the skinny jeans wearing, gesturing with your hands, soy boy evanjellocalism.

Then there's the real thing.

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This post was edited on 7/29/19 at 4:41 pm
Posted by Geauxboy
NW Arkansas
Member since Oct 2006
4856 posts
Posted on 7/29/19 at 4:22 pm to
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God is inside us .... not in the churches. Our bodies are our temples, our minds are ours.


If you hold this view, then you are not a Christian.


Show me anywhere in the bible that the church is a physical building. It's not. The church is the people. The physical building is a convenient, comfortable place to meet. Where 2 or more are gathered..............
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41669 posts
Posted on 7/29/19 at 4:32 pm to
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Show me anywhere in the bible that the church is a physical building. It's not. The church is the people. The physical building is a convenient, comfortable place to meet. Where 2 or more are gathered..............
I don't think you're understanding the point. The point isn't about the building but the meeting together with other believers to hear the Word preached and the sacraments given; it's participating in the means of grace. It's meeting together with the other members of the body of Christ to uplift and to be uplifted, to help and to be helped. It's submission to the leaders God put in place in His Church for instruction and reproof. It's a host of things that cannot exist by worshiping on a mountain or in your living room, alone with Sermon Audio on in the background.

And has been said, "For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them" is about the validity of Church discipline, not worship. The previous verses describe what to do with a brother who sins against you, concluding that you take them before the church and if he still doesn't repent, you excommunicate him. Read that again: you take him before the church. That can't happen if you don't belong to a local congregation of believers.
Posted by anc
Member since Nov 2012
18041 posts
Posted on 7/29/19 at 4:37 pm to
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Where 2 or more are gathered..............


Again - that verse has ZERO to do with worship. Its about taking grievances with fellow Christians before the church.

Posted by xiv
Parody. #AdminsRule
Member since Feb 2004
39508 posts
Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:11 pm to
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you always enter these threads with vague wording, and when someone asks you to be specific, you evade or leave the thread.
And it isn’t my job to meet your demands. The way the conversation would go after that is predictable, so you’ll just have to find someone else for your “debate me, coward” game.
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Projecting much there little buddy?
No, it’s you, and the pseudo-namecalling is how I know you’re mad.

Not my job to clarify anything for you or define anything for you.
Posted by xiv
Parody. #AdminsRule
Member since Feb 2004
39508 posts
Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:12 pm to
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we're not talking about love. We're talking about gay sex.
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by bfniii
Posted by xiv
Parody. #AdminsRule
Member since Feb 2004
39508 posts
Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:14 pm to
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Let us know when you're ready to actually defend your position instead of just casting stones at people who are calling out your dumb ideas
Somebody’s casting stones
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41669 posts
Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:21 pm to
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And it isn’t my job to meet your demands. The way the conversation would go after that is predictable, so you’ll just have to find someone else for your “debate me, coward” game.
Why, then, are you commenting? If your goal isn't to provide a perspicuous and coherent opinion, why comment at all?
Posted by xiv
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Member since Feb 2004
39508 posts
Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:24 pm to
Same reason everybody else is.

I offered my comments and stand by them. All the terms I use have definitions. Anyone truly wanting to know the meaning of any term I used will look it up and go from there. Anyone demanding I provide them a definition of a term I’ve used is being lazy and disingenuous, so I don’t engage with the lazy, hacky tactic.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41669 posts
Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:26 pm to
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Same reason everybody else is.

I offered my comments and stand by them. All the terms I use have definitions. Anyone truly wanting to know the meaning of any term I used will look it up and go from there. Anyone demanding I provide them a definition of a term I’ve used is being lazy and disingenuous, so I don’t engage with the lazy, hacky tactic.
I can't speak for others but I sometimes am so perplexed by the usage of certain words and phrases by others within the context of the discussion that I feel compelled to ask for clarification in order to make sense of what is being said. Sometimes the lack of clarity is on me, and sometimes it's on the other person. Constructive dialogue requires that both the sender and the receiver of the message to understand what the message is saying.
Posted by xiv
Parody. #AdminsRule
Member since Feb 2004
39508 posts
Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:30 pm to
Sure, sure, but when I’m being asked to clarify my use of a term so somebody can fight with me about whether calling being gay a sin counts as gay-bashing, I’m not stepping up for that useless debate because it isn’t I with whom the other person truly is debating.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:33 pm to
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No it's not if option b is the person or God killing your or throwing you to Hell
yes, it is still a choice. you are being given a choice. comply or not. it's just not that hard to understand. you don't know for a fact that it will end in your death. you are being TOLD that.

you are conflating the outcome with the choice. the outcome is downstream

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there is no rational second option
to you

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That's how dictators rule
dictators can be resisted at least once
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:34 pm to
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razthecat
God is only going to do what you have chosen for yourself.

this is always humorous. people clamor for freewill and then God honors that but people don't want the consequences that they knew about in advance.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:36 pm to
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anc
you're still missing hebrews 10:25
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:37 pm to
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xiv


do you have a substantive response?
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:37 pm to
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Somebody’s casting stones
i responded to your statements on substance. you have not reciprocated. why?
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41669 posts
Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:38 pm to
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Sure, sure, but when I’m being asked to clarify my use of a term so somebody can fight with me about whether calling being gay a sin counts as gay-bashing, I’m not stepping up for that useless debate because it isn’t I with whom the other person truly is debating.
Considering the sensitivity of the issue, I can understand why the clarification was asked. "Gay-bashing" has different connotations depending on who you ask. It can be trying to physically harm or harass homosexuals to hurt them, or it can be simply saying what they do is wrong, even if said out of simple disagreement and without malice.

Considering some governments have condemned even religious beliefs and texts that condemn homosexual behavior, I can understand why such a clarification is desired.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:45 pm to
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What gives you the right to label someone else’s beliefs?

The 1st Amendment.
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