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re: Let's be real for a minute, everyone knows that universal healthcare isn't free.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 7:20 am to GeauxPhillies26
Posted on 4/15/19 at 7:20 am to GeauxPhillies26
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I absolutely wouldn't mind paying $5/$10 out of my paycheck
Bwahahahahahahahahhaahha
Right. 5 or 10 bucks will do. shite man, with a few hundred studs like you, it's really unbelievable that don't already have a top tier government healthcare system.
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Posted on 4/15/19 at 7:30 am to Homesick Tiger
quote:You suffer by paying for someone else's bad behavior everytime you make a store purchase.
So you're saying I should suffer in my cost for paying someone else's cost because their lowlifes?
You suffer by paying for someone else's bad behavior everytime you buy a car.
You suffer by paying for someone else's bad behavior everytime you purchase insurance of any sort.
Shoplifting, theft, liability, and scam are built in to costs across the US purchase spectrum. Socialized or private, costs are costs. Providers will pass them on to consumers.
C'est la vie in the United States of Tort.
This post was edited on 4/15/19 at 7:32 am
Posted on 4/15/19 at 7:37 am to GeauxPhillies26
Perhaps the better point would be that republicans have no problem sending a thousand dollars a month to Blue Cross but would refuse to send the same thousand to a single payer system. And they would argue until blue in the face that the thousand they send to the single payer is “new taxes,” even though they would no longer have to send the money to Blue Cross.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 7:50 am to TBoy
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Perhaps the better point would be that republicans have no problem sending a thousand dollars a month to Blue Cross but would refuse to send the same thousand to a single payer system.
You’re goddamn right about that. Now you get it.
Like social security vs a 401k. I have both and would absolutely give up every penny I’ve contributed over the years to get out and never contribute to SS again. I won’t even ask for payments when I retire.
Can you stupid frickers not see how the government fricks up every program it tries to run?
Leave my healthcare alone - I’ll take care of it myself (like I have for 35 years).
Posted on 4/15/19 at 8:08 am to GeauxPhillies26
America subsidizes medicine for the rest of the world. Sounds like you hate poor people around the world. Sort of a “frick you I got mine” attitude?
Posted on 4/15/19 at 8:25 am to Obtuse1
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Universal healthcare would cost us 32 trillion for ten years. LINK While I am not arguing Medicare for All is "affordable" or politically possible even if it was affordable I think that number is significantly disingenuous.
What you “think” is irrelevant. That $32 trillion number is an estimate by a liberal study. That’s about $3 trillion a year. Our current entire federal budget is $4 trillion
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along with the costs the government pays now, the economic impact of moving the majority of health insurance from the private to the public sector
The majority of? That’s hilarious. Bernie’s new bill, just as his old one did, literally makes all private health insurance illegal. You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about
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the economic impact of potentially a more healthy workforce along with the hopefully lower cost of treating people who can seek earlier care and prevention.
People with cataracts are going blind in the UK due to surgery wait times. That’s not an exaggeration. What you little socialists can’t comprehend is that under Medicare for all, appointments are rationed by time, since price and competition are removed.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 8:25 am to TBoy
quote:Because for the person sending $1K a month to BC, the quality of the product will be LIGHT YEARS better than under single payer for them.
Perhaps the better point would be that republicans have no problem sending a thousand dollars a month to Blue Cross but would refuse to send the same thousand to a single payer system.
quote:It's cute that you think it will be a wash.
And they would argue until blue in the face that the thousand they send to the single payer is “new taxes,” even though they would no longer have to send the money to Blue Cross.
Alas, it won't because in the single payer system, the person who could afford the Blue Cross will now have to pay for the equivalent of their blue cross PLUS the person who didn't previously have it
You suck at math
Posted on 4/15/19 at 8:31 am to the_watcher
quote:People will often try to rebut this with doctors per capita numbers but that doesn't come close to telling the story.
People with cataracts are going blind in the UK due to surgery wait times. That’s not an exaggeration. What you little socialists can’t comprehend is that under Medicare for all, appointments are rationed by time, since price and competition are removed.
For example,
The U.S has 35 MRI machines per million people.
France, Canada and the Netherlands have less than 9.
So, if an MRI is required to diagnose you, it doesn't really matter if there are 10 million doctors capable of reading the MRI if you can't fricking get an MRI!!!!
Posted on 4/15/19 at 8:31 am to Obtuse1
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If we moved to a true Medicare for All and it was run like Medicare is currently how do you support this conclusion? My wife and I are/were the medical proxy for each of our grandparents and none of them ever had to wait for medical care, in fact the general hassle to get anything approved was much lower than our private health insurance. 3 of our 4 GPs have been through the intense healthcare of the last few years of life.
Because it isn’t actually Medicare for all. Politicians call it that because the older population has it and that word polls better. What we would have is government run healthcare for all. Private health insurance companies would be illegal.
You’re also comparing Medicare for everyone to a current market place that allows private insurers in a market where price and competition are paramount. Assuming Medicare as it is currently would be exactly the same if every person in the country had it, and it was the only healthcare option, is asinine. Which proves that calling it Medicare for all instead of government run healthcare for all actually works on the uninformed
Posted on 4/15/19 at 8:51 am to Sentrius
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Universal healthcare would cost us 32 trillion for ten years.
How much is that cost inflated by ridiculous prescription drug prices tho? Not advicating for UHC but that number seems high and I wonder if reform in that sector would bring that number down.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 8:56 am to GeauxPhillies26
Let’s be real for a minute . . .
The problem is that there is a certain class of “victims” who those who pay the taxes or the health insurance premiums ALWAYS subsidize. If every single person in the US had to change their standard of living to afford health insurance for themselves and a whole other family, I could maybe, maybe see your point. But we live in a victim culture that rewards “victimness” with “free stuff. No way is universal health insurance remotely workable in that environment. It may be universal coverage but not universal pay in.
Nobody has a right to make somebody else pay for whatever it is they want/need or desire. No matter how disenfranchised. Nobody.
The problem is that there is a certain class of “victims” who those who pay the taxes or the health insurance premiums ALWAYS subsidize. If every single person in the US had to change their standard of living to afford health insurance for themselves and a whole other family, I could maybe, maybe see your point. But we live in a victim culture that rewards “victimness” with “free stuff. No way is universal health insurance remotely workable in that environment. It may be universal coverage but not universal pay in.
Nobody has a right to make somebody else pay for whatever it is they want/need or desire. No matter how disenfranchised. Nobody.
This post was edited on 4/15/19 at 8:57 am
Posted on 4/15/19 at 8:59 am to HogFanfromHTown
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How much is that cost inflated by ridiculous prescription drug prices tho? Not advicating for UHC but that number seems high and I wonder if reform in that sector would bring that number down.
Drug prices account for less than 10% of total healthcare spending.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 9:03 am to GeauxPhillies26
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GeauxPhillies26
How were you raised ?
Wasn't personal responsibility talked about in your house ?
Federal income taxes would be used to pay for universal healthcare. Only 53% of people pay federal income taxes.
Paying sales tax , gas taxes , property taxes etc. , has nothing to do with what you are claiming.
Your dad should have taught you the difference between federal and state governments and the roles they play.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 9:04 am to GeauxPhillies26
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They have a "frick you, I got mine" attitude and can't be bothered to help the little man.
In a free society the little man can become the elite.
Anecdotal Evidence:
When my wife and I married, I earned $5.75/hr and she earned $4.25(basically minimum wage)
31 years later, we jointly grossed over 400k.
Family and friends didn't get us there, our own decisions did.
We could have done much more but were not willing to sacrifice the time, effort, and risk to do more.
IOW we settled for our current lifestyle.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 9:12 am to Homesick Tiger
You should be furious. This is your governments involvement in medicine at work. If government would butt out you would have been better off paying cash for these services. Insurance is designed to pay for catastrophic occurrences. Because Medicare/medicaid pay so little for “real” medical care hospitals have to recoup the cost of care on the back of stuff like this.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 9:16 am to TBoy
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Perhaps the better point would be that republicans have no problem sending a thousand dollars a month to Blue Cross but would refuse to send the same thousand to a single payer system. And they would argue until blue in the face that the thousand they send to the single payer is “new taxes,” even though they would no longer have to send the money to Blue Cross.
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TBoy
Why do you Liberals have trouble comprehending things ?
Healthcare costs should be based on AGE & FAMILY SIZE not WALLET SIZE.
What you Liberals want is for someone to help subsidize your healthcare.
1. Get a job that provides healthcare
2. You Liberals can pool your own money like a corporation and purchase healthcare.
3. Keep your hands out of my pocket.
You guys hate Trump , Trump is president because of Obamacare. Working people don't like being forced to pay for others insurance.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 9:17 am to GeauxPhillies26
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I absolutely wouldn't mind paying $5/$10 out of my paycheck if it meant that I didn't have to worry about starting a GoFundMe account if I ever get seriously sick or hell, even have to cover the cost of an ambulance ride.
It will be a hell of a lot more than $5 or $10 out of your paycheck
This post was edited on 4/15/19 at 9:20 am
Posted on 4/15/19 at 10:20 am to the_watcher
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Drug prices account for less than 10% of total healthcare spending.
That's still trillions of dollars in the long run. There's a ton of savings to be had
Posted on 4/15/19 at 10:22 am to GeauxPhillies26
Get a job, you bum.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 10:25 am to TBoy
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Perhaps the better point would be that republicans have no problem sending a thousand dollars a month to Blue Cross but would refuse to send the same thousand to a single payer system. And they would argue until blue in the face that the thousand they send to the single payer is “new taxes,” even though they would no longer have to send the money to Blue Cross.
What a huge disconnect from reality
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