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re: Let's be real for a minute, everyone knows that universal healthcare isn't free.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 10:34 am to HogFanfromHTown
Posted on 4/15/19 at 10:34 am to HogFanfromHTown
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That's still trillions of dollars in the long run. There's a ton of savings to be had
Trillions huh? Not even remotely close. Can you explain, using math, how you came to that conclusion? What would you do, make them all “free” ?
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The study also assumes that shoving everyone into a government health care plan would cut administrative costs by $1.6 trillion over the next decade and prescription drug costs by $846 billion. Neither of those are likely, and wouldn't make much of a difference in overall spending anyway. Private insurance overhead accounts for about 6% of national health spending, and drugs less than 10%.
Also, he are a few more liberties the liberal studies took when estimating $32 trillion over 10 years.
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The first is a massive cut in payments to providers. Sanders wants to apply Medicare's below-market rates across the board, which would amount to a roughly 40% cut in payments to doctors and hospitals. Blahous figures this will save hundreds of billions of dollars a year
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But cuts of that magnitude would drive doctors out of medicine and hospitals out of business, since the only way providers can afford Medicare's cut-rate reimbursements today is by charging private payers more
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Posted on 4/15/19 at 10:45 am to GeauxPhillies26
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absolutely wouldn't mind paying $5/$10 out of my paycheck
Lol it would be a lot more than that. Try an extra 25-30% of your paycheck
Posted on 4/15/19 at 10:46 am to TBoy
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Perhaps the better point would be that republicans have no problem sending a thousand dollars a month to Blue Cross but would refuse to send the same thousand to a single payer system. And they would argue until blue in the face that the thousand they send to the single payer is “new taxes,” even though they would no longer have to send the money to Blue Cross.
This is a dumb argument
1) nobody is forced to send money to blue cross. On the other hand, under a single payer system, you are forced to pay money to the government for health insurance
2) under a single payer/universal health care system, your payment rates are completely disconnected from the amount of health services you use. An American today who doesn’t use a lot of health care can opt for a high deductible plan that isn’t expensive monthly. That same person under a single payer plan would be paying more, because his bill would be based on his income, not his utilization.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 10:47 am to Sentrius
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Universal healthcare would cost us 32 trillion for ten years.
3.2 trillion per year required. Taxes would have to double for everyone assuming all else stays relatively the same I.e economic growth and such
Posted on 4/15/19 at 11:42 am to fallguy_1978
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I absolutely wouldn't mind paying $5/$10 out of my paycheck if it meant that I didn't have to worry about starting a GoFundMe account if I ever get seriously sick or hell, even have to cover the cost of an ambulance ride.
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It will be a hell of a lot more than $5 or $10 out of your paycheck
Well probably not out of his paycheck!
Posted on 4/15/19 at 11:53 am to the_watcher
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Trillions huh? Not even remotely close. Can you explain, using math, how you came to that conclusion? What would you do, make them all “free” ?
Prescription Drug Costs are aproximately 300 billion a year. Cut that by 33.33% and you save 100 billion a year over 10 years and that's 1 trillion dollars. Costs could go down more than that, it just depends on how much the US government wants to regulate the market.
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What would you do, make them all “free” ?
You understand it's hard to take someone seriously when you make a statement like this. No, I'm sure you are well aware it is standard practice for perscription drug companies to hike up the price of their best selling products in order to raise R&D money. It's why inslulin and EpiPens are unreasonably expensive right now. If you do not allow pharma companies to hike up the price more than x% for medicines that are considered "essential for life" for patients with certain health conditions, that would save a tremendous amount of money, and that's just one example of how we could cut costs.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 11:59 am to Loserman
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Well probably not out of his paycheck!
That $5 or $10 comment made me spit my coffee
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