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re: Let's be real for a minute, everyone knows that universal healthcare isn't free.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 5:56 am to GeauxPhillies26
Posted on 4/15/19 at 5:56 am to GeauxPhillies26
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everyone knows that universal healthcare isn't free
Wanna bet?
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Posted on 4/15/19 at 5:59 am to GeauxPhillies26
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absolutely wouldn't mind paying $5/$10 out of my paycheck if it meant that I didn't have to worry about starting a GoFundMe account if I ever get seriously sick or hell, even have to cover the cost of an ambulance ride.
When someone posts something this dumb I usually suspect a false flag but I think you're legit. So now I'm wondering if this is head trauma or simply bad genetics.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 6:01 am to GeauxPhillies26
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Nothing is free.
You could have stopped right there.
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Yet, have no problem whatsoever spending trillions on endless wars in the Middle East.
Yeah, see I don't believe that two wrongs make a right.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 6:02 am to GeauxPhillies26
It’s interesting that there wasn’t a health insurance “crisis” until Obama decided to use health insurance as a mechanism for wealth redistribution.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 6:03 am to GeauxPhillies26
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I absolutely wouldn't mind paying $5/$10 out of my paycheck if it meant that I didn't have to worry about starting a GoFundMe account if I ever get seriously sick or hell, even have to cover the cost of an ambulance ride.
What about $400? or $1000?
And then you'll have to wait months for your operation. Or hours for the ambulance.
That's what you get with socialized healthcare. DMV quality customer service. VA quality healthcare.
If you're lucky, it's that good.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 6:12 am to Obtuse1
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The actual "cost" is significantly more complex when you consider the above, along with the costs the government pays now, the economic impact of moving the majority of health insurance from the private to the public sector, the economic impact of potentially a more healthy workforce along with the hopefully lower cost of treating people who can seek earlier care and prevention.
Ok
Let's pretend that the only cost associated which healthcare is the 32 trillion number.in any given year there are optimistically speaking about 140 million full-time employed people in United States.
So that number breaks out to a little over $22,000 annually per employed person.
It's about 9,000 annually for every man woman and child
And this is assuming that this will be the first time in the history of the world that a government estimate a future cost turns out to be accurate
Posted on 4/15/19 at 6:14 am to Ace Midnight
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That's what you get with socialized healthcare. DMV quality customer service. VA quality healthcare
Americans think that they are going to get the healthcare currently available in United States only free
They hear about cherry-picked stats from other nations and honestly have no idea
They also compare ridiculous things that have only an ancillary relationship to a nation's healthcare system
Posted on 4/15/19 at 6:15 am to Ace Midnight
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Yeah, see I don't believe that two wrongs make a right
And more importantly while wars suck and wars you shouldn't be fighting in the first place suck more at least wars end at some point
Government entitlements are forever
Posted on 4/15/19 at 6:18 am to Ace Midnight
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And then you'll have to wait months for your operation. Or hours for the ambulance.
That's what you get with socialized healthcare. DMV quality customer service. VA quality healthcare.
If we moved to a true Medicare for All and it was run like Medicare is currently how do you support this conclusion? My wife and I are/were the medical proxy for each of our grandparents and none of them ever had to wait for medical care, in fact the general hassle to get anything approved was much lower than our private health insurance. 3 of our 4 GPs have been through the intense healthcare of the last few years of life.
Again, I am not arguing for the economic viability of the paradigm shift but I don't see this being an issue if Medicare is expanded unless a large part of the healthcare industry shuts its doors. Someone could argue that scenario but I simply don't have the type of numbers that would support either side of the argument.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 6:20 am to GeauxPhillies26
I don't say, "Wait, what?" often, but that was my first internal response to this nonsense. Try again.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 6:21 am to Obtuse1
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If we moved to a true Medicare for All and it was run like Medicare is currently how do you support this conclusion?
by looking at literally every other example of government-run healthcare in the world
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My wife and I are/were the medical proxy for each of our grandparents and none of them ever had to wait for medical care, in fact the general hassle to get anything approved was much lower than our private health insurance. 3 of our 4 GPs have been through the intense healthcare of the last few years of life.
I would like you to re-read what you just wrote and contemplated for a few minutes because you just answered your own question whether you realize it or not
What you just described was a system that is propped up by the fact when people in the healthcare business can actually make a buck outside of the government system
Take away that and you end up with a completely different result
again something literally everywhere else in the world has already figured out even though they can't come to terms with it
Posted on 4/15/19 at 6:23 am to ShortyRob
5 or 10 bucks a check. Even if you got paid daily that wouldn't do it 
Posted on 4/15/19 at 6:33 am to ShortyRob
This. I’m a doctor. Medicare patients are essentially charity. If that’s all there is I’m shutting up shop and will find something else to do. I would love to think that I do all this because I’m altruistic but in reality if I’m not being reimbursed at my current level then it’s not worth it. You have to remember that most docs are pretty smart people and can get jobs doing something else.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 6:56 am to GeauxPhillies26
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I absolutely wouldn't mind paying $5/$10 out of my paycheck
Psssst... take a look at the tax you pay RIGHT NOW for Medicare that provides “free” (lol) healthcare for seniors (and lazy leeches that are not seniors yet).
If you actually have a job it will be listed on your pay stub. Go look and feel free to post it here (please).
Posted on 4/15/19 at 7:04 am to Sweet Pickles
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Medicare patients are essentially charity.
And I'm a Medicare patient paying three hundred a month for parts A and B and drug coverage plus a supplement policy. How much would that cost be if I went to just private insurance? I had to go to the emergency room last August for my blood pressure spiking. They did a heart x-ray and an EKG and blood work. I stayed in the room for an hour and a half. No shots, no medications, just an explanation of those tests. Total cost - $3,200. A fifteen minute follow-up to the doctor three days later -$110.
Now doesn't that seem a little outrageous?
Posted on 4/15/19 at 7:10 am to Homesick Tiger
quote:Not when you consider patients showing up for the same thing, getting the same charges, then go home do a load of crack, have an MI, die, and their family teams with an ambulance chaser to sue for several million. It's a problem.
Now doesn't that seem a little outrageous?
Posted on 4/15/19 at 7:11 am to NC_Tigah
quote:He gave the same amount as the number of illegals Cher has housed at her estate:zero.
Republicans and Conservatives are just selfish and cruel
Facts notwithstanding?
How much do you donate to the cause of indigent healthcare each year?
Posted on 4/15/19 at 7:12 am to Sweet Pickles
quote:Only in terms of Part B. Part A can, and should, be profitable for well-run facilities.
This. I’m a doctor. Medicare patients are essentially charity.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 7:16 am to GeauxPhillies26
I've got an idea: Let's stop paying Democrats to breed and feed....
Posted on 4/15/19 at 7:18 am to NC_Tigah
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Not when you consider patients showing up for the same thing, getting the same charges, then go home do a load of crack, have an MI, die, and their family teams with an ambulance chaser to sue for several million. It's a problem.
So you're saying I should suffer in my cost for paying someone else's cost because their lowlifes? Hello socialized medicine then. We're already there.
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