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re: Jimmy Kimmel: GOP Senator ‘Lied Right To My Face’ About Healthcare Reform
Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:10 am to tigerinDC09
Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:10 am to tigerinDC09
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Yeah so if you have a kid born with a heart defect, you get to go bankrupt to ensure he has life saving coverage. But hey you're a grown up so you can handle it?
Or your kid with an unfortunate issue is forcing MY family to do without to keep yours alive, and using the state at the point of a gun to do it. Your kid is literally robbing me and my family of our earnings, taking away OUR ability to improve OUR conditions in this world.
So my kids cannot get what they deserve, and what I bust my arse to provide them, because you are having the state take my stuff away for your sole benefit!
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Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:12 am to SSpaniel
quote:Pretty much the dumbest argument against Obamacare that is repeated over and over. Obviously the cost to insure those things are shared in a pool. The added coverage just allows the cost to be shared between men and women which is incredibly reasonable.
Complete with benefits they may not ever use... like maternity coverage for men and women who are 80 years old, things of that nature.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:14 am to mmcgrath
quote:
e added coverage just allows the cost to be shared between men and women which is incredibly reasonable.
No it most certainly isn't reasonable you retard. No other insurance works that way. You go to buy auto insurance for a teenage son you find out they pay more for insurance than teenage girls, for instance. Why? Because teenage boys are a higher risk pool than teenage girls, and so their insurance costs more. Why? Because that is entirely fair, if you're a higher risk, you pay more.
Dumb frick.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:14 am to Sidicous
quote:Your contribution is probably $10 so spare us with the robbed at gunpoint scenario. Society wants to help the sick kid, and if we have to drag selfish people along we will.
Or your kid with an unfortunate issue is forcing MY family to do without to keep yours alive, and using the state at the point of a gun to do it. Your kid is literally robbing me and my family of our earnings, taking away OUR ability to improve OUR conditions in this world.
So my kids cannot get what they deserve, and what I bust my arse to provide them, because you are having the state take my stuff away for your sole benefit!
Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:15 am to tigerinDC09
quote:Right.
God forbid you or someone you know have a life threatening illness which threatens their financial stability.
Far better for everyone to be foisted into obamacare, threatening financial stability of every single middle class American.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:15 am to FT
quote:
Hence, a mandate.
No - that's a tax on existing. In a free society, you give people the choice:
Buy a Kia or buy a Ferrari. But, don't buy the Ferrari and then complain about the payment, the maintenance or the insurance costs.
Or use public transportation. But, don't complain about having to wait at bus stops, riding around with poors, diesel fumes, etc.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:17 am to tigerinDC09
quote:
Jimmy Kimmel: GOP Senator ‘Lied Right To My Face’ About Healthcare Reform
Yep, that a-hole told me I could keep my doctor... oh wait. wrong a-hole.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:17 am to SDVTiger
quote:
Jimmy Kimmel: GOP Senator ‘Lied Right To My Face’
i am dan: President Obama lied right to my face about Obamacare... Every time he spoke about it.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:20 am to mmcgrath
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Your contribution is probably $10 so
Link or STFU
Another virtue signaling prog.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:21 am to tigerinDC09
I just wrecked my car this morning. I was sleepy and damaged the fender against the side of the parking garage. I called every auto insurance company in the book and tried to get coverage. They all denied me.
This is White Supremacist Trumpism!
This is White Supremacist Trumpism!
Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:22 am to Sidicous
quote:
So my kids cannot get what they deserve, and what I bust my arse to provide them, because you are having the state take my stuff away for your sole benefit!
Once again, this goes to the Ethos of some people.
YOU could just as well lose your earnings and lose YOUR ability to improve YOUR conditions in this world with one terrible diagnosis.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:23 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
quote:When driving, a girl is not inherently involved in driving the car when a boy gets in an accident. When pregnant, a guy is going to be involved 99% of the time. Really 100% but I know some idiot is going to throw artificial insemination out there and I don't want to debate that topic.
No it most certainly isn't reasonable you retard. No other insurance works that way. You go to buy auto insurance for a teenage son you find out they pay more for insurance than teenage girls, for instance. Why? Because teenage boys are a higher risk pool than teenage girls, and so their insurance costs more. Why? Because that is entirely fair, if you're a higher risk, you pay more.
Dumb frick.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 9:26 am
Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:25 am to tigerinDC09
You could stop attempting to force your desires on the rest of us and take action yourselves.
Yet, no action, no sacrifice. Just a plea for mommy to save you and your feelings.
Yet, no action, no sacrifice. Just a plea for mommy to save you and your feelings.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:25 am to mmcgrath
quote:
Your contribution is probably $10 so spare us with the robbed at gunpoint scenario. Society wants to help the sick kid, and if we have to drag selfish people along we will.
$10 now, @60% per year increase for the rest of mine and theirs lives. It adds up quickly with compounding interest.
And as far as selfish: it's YOUR kid, YOUR responsibility, and only YOUR family benefiting. The selfish people in the scenario are the ones wanting others to pay for their SELF benefit. Your kid benefits me and the rest of society zero. That's a negative ROI. Now tells us again how a negative ROI benefits everyone?
Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:25 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
quote:
No it most certainly isn't reasonable you retard. No other insurance works that way. You go to buy auto insurance for a teenage son you find out they pay more for insurance than teenage girls, for instance. Why? Because teenage boys are a higher risk pool than teenage girls, and so their insurance costs more. Why? Because that is entirely fair, if you're a higher risk, you pay more.
The problem with this analogy is that I can choose not to let my teenage son or daughter drive anymore.
Is not quite the same decision on if they should get life saving medical treatment.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:29 am to Sidicous
quote:Most people consider the sick child to be guarded by society. If the child gets better, society benefits. Just like society benefits when they teach your kids in school.
10 now, @60% per year increase for the rest of mine and theirs lives. It adds up quickly with compounding interest.
And as far as selfish: it's YOUR kid, YOUR responsibility, and only YOUR family benefiting. The selfish people in the scenario are the ones wanting others to pay for their SELF benefit. Your kid benefits me and the rest of society zero. That's a negative ROI. Now tells us again how a negative ROI benefits everyone?
Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:36 am to tigerinDC09
quote:
The problem with this analogy is that I can choose not to let my teenage son or daughter drive anymore.
Yes you can.
quote:
Is not quite the same decision on if they should get life saving medical treatment.
They won't be denied life saving medical treatment in America. I urge everyone to refrain from appeals to emotion. That isn't the question. The question is whether we allow folks who are uninsured/underinsured to ride along at the same level of customer service as those who are appropriately and adequately insured.
Which was the obvious goal and objective of Obamacare - carrot (insurance) and stick (mandate/tax/forced minimum coverage, etc.).
However well intentioned, it functions as a taxation on existence - unprecedented in the American experience.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:40 am to mmcgrath
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Most people consider the sick child to be guarded by society. If the child gets better, society benefits. Just like society benefits when they teach your kids in school.
"Because society benefits" is such a broad standard that it essentially justifies 100% govt control of our economy
Btw, it is up to me if I think a certain person is deserving of my money.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:42 am to mmcgrath
quote:
Most people consider the sick child to be guarded by society. If the child gets better, society benefits. Just like society benefits when they teach your kids in school.
Pulling stuff out of your arse again there.
Kids are forced to attend school until age 16, again at the point of a gun. The parents of truant kids get arrested, fined, even jailed if they do not force THEIR child into the classroom.
Go ahead and link us the proof of a child with a congenital defect growing up to benefit society. We'll wait. A hospital I worked for spent $8 Million of a charitable contributors donation to keep 1 kid alive for 6 years only to be forced financially to turn the kid over to the state as he bankrupted the facility and put the entire children's hospital out of business. Now there's your societal benefit and societal responsibility. (no I cannot legally name any part of this due to HIPAA, any part would expose the name of the whole)
Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:49 am to mmcgrath
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Pretty much the dumbest argument against Obamacare that is repeated over and over. Obviously the cost to insure those things are shared in a pool. The added coverage just allows the cost to be shared between men and women which is incredibly reasonable.
We are no where close to "reasonable".
I want you to get off your arse and go shop the individual market ACA exchange. You will have the opportunity in a couple of months when rates/plans for 2018 come out.
If you are around 40, single male, make 60k(don't qualify for a subsidy) you will be slapped in the face with a $450 month premium. $450 a month for something as a 40 year old you WILL PROBABLY NEVER USE. This is why Obamacare is failing. YOUNGER PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD IT. Younger people are not buying in.
This is where we are at. The only people able to afford plans on the exchanges are those getting the subsidies.
Does this sound "reasonable" to you. It is because GOVERNMENT IS INVOLVED IN THE MARKET. Community Rating and Essential Health Benefits(making an 80 year old man buy birth contol, pregnancy, drug abuse) are the primary cost drivers for increases in premiums. That and the pool is now full of sick/elderly/and those with pre-existing conditions.
Don't trust my word...get off your arse and shop. See for yourself.
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