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re: Jeff Sessions 1985 Voter Fraud Case
Posted on 2/8/17 at 11:35 am to boomertoomer
Posted on 2/8/17 at 11:35 am to boomertoomer
quote:
you don't know shite about jeff sessions
I know he's extremely pro drug war and pro-civil asset forfeiture.
That's all I need to know.
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Posted on 2/8/17 at 11:45 am to 14&Counting
Funny thing about this is it was a damned if you do, damned if you don't case.
He originally left the case alone even though an all black "State grand jury" found it contained sufficient evidence for indictment. The aggrieved parties were also black as were the defendants.
After a further FBI investigation, and the FBI found evidence of voter fraud he pursued it.
Now after losing the case and because the defendants were black they use him prosecuting the case against him.
As I said before, a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't
He originally left the case alone even though an all black "State grand jury" found it contained sufficient evidence for indictment. The aggrieved parties were also black as were the defendants.
After a further FBI investigation, and the FBI found evidence of voter fraud he pursued it.
Now after losing the case and because the defendants were black they use him prosecuting the case against him.
As I said before, a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't
This post was edited on 2/8/17 at 11:48 am
Posted on 2/8/17 at 11:46 am to The Spleen
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Interesting take from NYT
Posted on 2/8/17 at 11:46 am to 14&Counting
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....it's fake if the facts don't fit the narrative you want.
Never thought of it that way. But, now that I think about it I see your point.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 11:49 am to 14&Counting
the case involved one black candidate accusing another black candidate of voter fraud in a predominantly black area of rural Alabama. On the night in question, the candidate and other family members were observed mailing hundreds of absentee ballots. Spin it however you want it, but I guarantee you that if this were observed in this day and age, people would flip the frick out and accuse the candidate of voter fraud and investigations would follow. Can you image the shite storm on election night if Trump and Don Jr were seen mailing hundreds or thousands of absentee ballots? Hell, it could even be your local mayoral race and people would flip out and call for investigations and prosecutions. So to act like this proves Sessions is a racist is really weak.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 11:51 am to 14&Counting
FWIW Voter fraud exists... I saw it first hand in Wilkinson County MS. They still have a corrupt sheriff because of massive voter fraud. It hurts everyone.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 11:58 am to 14&Counting
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Jeff Sessions 1985 Voter Fraud Case
Let's be clear on this: black activists changed the votes of blacks and that's what the case was about. I'm sorry but you don't get to be a Civil Rights hero by falsifying votes, regardless of surrounding framework.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 12:03 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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the case involved one black candidate accusing another black candidate of voter fraud in a predominantly black area of rural Alabama. On the night in question, the candidate and other family members were observed mailing hundreds of absentee ballots. Spin it however you want it, but I guarantee you that if this were observed in this day and age, people would flip the frick out and accuse the candidate of voter fraud and investigations would follow. Can you image the shite storm on election night if Trump and Don Jr were seen mailing hundreds or thousands of absentee ballots? Hell, it could even be your local mayoral race and people would flip out and call for investigations and prosecutions. So to act like this proves Sessions is a racist is really weak.
Yes, the issue is that a group of mostly white people were suspected and accused of doing the same thing and weren't investigated or prosecuted. Sessions apparently knew this and chose to only pursue the case against Turner.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 12:06 pm to The Spleen
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Yes, the issue is that a group of mostly white people were suspected and accused of doing the same thing and weren't investigated or prosecuted. Sessions apparently knew this and chose to only pursue the case against Turner.
False.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 12:11 pm to The Spleen
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Yes, the issue is that a group of mostly white people were suspected and accused of doing the same thing and weren't investigated or prosecuted. Sessions apparently knew this and chose to only pursue the case against Turner.
Where did you get this from? LINK? Cause all I've heard is that he's a racist for prosecuting these "civil rights activists", not because he didn't prosecute others.
Imagine if he had ignored this case, brought by black plaintiffs. Definitely a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 12:12 pm to roux
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Fake News
Duh. I don't have anything worthwhile to say and I'm too lazy to look anything up that I could use to refute this, so I'll just type 'Fake News'. That's what Donald always does.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 12:14 pm to TigerNutwhack
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Where did you get this from?
I learned it in a history class in college, but there was also a link within the NYT link to an Emory University history professor's study on it. White landowners in these predominantly black counties used absentee voting to maintain control of the local governments there. These whites lived elsewhere, some even out of state.
LINK
ETA: This practice was pretty widely known at the time according to some reports. For Sessions to claim ignorance on it is suspect, at best. I have some family from Greene County, and my uncle has talked about it.
This post was edited on 2/8/17 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 2/8/17 at 12:14 pm to The Spleen
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Yes, the issue is that a group of mostly white people were suspected and accused of doing the same thing and weren't investigated or prosecuted. Sessions apparently knew this and chose to only pursue the case against Turner.
what?
last i heard, the issue was that the people accused of engaging in voter fraud were "doing it for old people who couldn't do it on their own" or something
basically it's the "we were just doing the Lord's work" defense
Posted on 2/8/17 at 12:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the issue was that the people accused of engaging in voter fraud were "doing it for old people who couldn't do it on their own" or something
Yes, that is what Turner and his group were doing with the rural, older blacks in the area. You have to understand their psyche. They had grown up under Jim Crow laws and been denied their right to vote, some even after passage of the Voting Rights Act. Turner beat down doors and helped them fill out absentee ballots. He was accused of filling them out for them, and Sessions sent the FBI in. It was intimidation.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 12:20 pm to The Spleen
quote:Sounds like he's not admitting to what he's being accused of, which you'd think he would do if he feels the same way now as he's accused of feeling 30+ years ago. Either he never did what he was accused of or he's changed his tune, from what it sounds like. Either way, there shouldn't be an issue now, right?
He either denies them happening or claims they were taken out of context.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 12:36 pm to Bard
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Let's be clear on this: black activists changed the votes of blacks and that's what the case was about. I'm sorry but you don't get to be a Civil Rights hero by falsifying votes, regardless of surrounding framework.
Most of the charges were thrown out, and they were found not guilty on the ones that weren't. So your accusations are without merit.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 12:37 pm to roux
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Fake News
Posted on 2/8/17 at 12:52 pm to LSURussian
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1) New York Times
2) Washington Post
3) Fake News
Why did his nomination fail as a Reagan judge appointee then?
Posted on 2/8/17 at 1:00 pm to 14&Counting
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Perry County, one of the smallest Alabama counties with a population of 15,000, had more absentee ballots filed than Jefferson County, population 700,000, according to a local news article. Investigators interviewed witnesses who said their ballots were changed and observed a post office where Turner and other activists dropped off ballots. They tracked the ballots and found about 75 out of 700 had been changed,
quote:
Some black voters testified that they didn’t authorize any changes to their ballots. But others, who had told the FBI that their ballots were changed without approval, changed their testimony during the trial. Some could not identify ballots as their own because they couldn’t read or write.
Doesn't sound like the case was bullshite just because they lost.
Posted on 2/8/17 at 1:01 pm to 14&Counting
All he has to do is claim that he evolved....you know, that's the standard answers from Robert Byrd and Hillary Clinton. Remember when Obama evolved on gay marriage?
The democrats invented that game...kind of like how they put the nuclear option into play.
The democrats invented that game...kind of like how they put the nuclear option into play.
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