re: Is there a true goal of US Conservatives and Liberals?

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The goals of many are more or less the same, to varying degrees and with few points of contention.

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Pull the other one, it plays "Dixie."

Volumes have been written about the differences in philosophy and governance between the two. Few points of contention...

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More liberty, though, is more a function of Libertarianism than Conservatism... at least as they exist in the modern American political landscape.

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Conservatism is rooted in Libertarianism, but with less freedom to destroy society through drug use/abuse, and an adult outlook on defending the people of the United States by fighting the bad guys where they are, rather that waiting for them to come to us, so we have to fight them with our families being the collateral damage.

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There's that reverence for that pesky Constitution thing. It is the law of the land, and one of the documents the country was founded upon. I would refer you to the Bill of Rights, specifically the Second Amendment. Coupled with the Tenth Amendment, which reserves to the States those powers NOT enumerated by the Constitution, and you have your answer.

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Except for the part where state enacted gun controls are constitutional. If you care about what the founding fathers and the ratifying states believed at least. Constitution exists almost entirely to limit the federal government and not the states.

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Conservatives on the federal level have precisely nothing to do with your state liquor laws.

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Many of them were first conservatives on a local level and helped pass or keep those laws in place. Why are you backpedaling and creating a distinction between federal and state conservatives?

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Code words for allowing Communism and Islam, their preferred forms of government to proliferate ....
Because we want to make it easier not harder for Communism, Socialism, and Islam to project their power around the globe, rather than have the United States, liberty, democracy, and freedom projected around the world

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An unconstitutional war... so much for the supposed reverence for the Constitution. James Madison said war is the biggest threat to public liberty “...armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few.”

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Except for the part where state enacted gun controls are constitutional. If you care about what the founding fathers and the ratifying states believed at least. Constitution exists almost entirely to limit the federal government and not the states.

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The Constitution plainly states that the power of possessing weapons rests with the people. Not with the federal government, not with the state government, not with municipal or county governments either. And certainly not with a group of appointed judges, who have proven their ability to conjure up rights out of whole cloth, such as the right to an abortion, or the right of the government to force it's citizenry to buy a product.

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Constitution exists almost entirely to limit the federal government and not the states.

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Except where it empowers the federal government, and therefore limits the states and it's citizens.

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Many of them were first conservatives on a local level and helped pass or keep those laws in place.

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Except for the ones that aren't, and weren't, and didn't.

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Why are you backpedaling and creating a distinction between federal and state conservatives?

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I started my involvement in this thread stating that Conservatives and Republicans are very often different critters. I will continue to draw distinctions as long as you continue with the broad brush notion that what Republicans do is what Conservatives do. If conservatives ran the party, Ted Cruz would be living in the White House right now.

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An unconstitutional war... so much for the supposed reverence for the Constitution.

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Are we at war with Afghanistan or the Taliban? Are we at war with Syria, or ISIS? This is not 1941. We are at war with terrorism, and people who want to use terrorism to force their philosophy and ideals upon the rest of the world. Does congress have a suitable declaration for that? If not, do we let them kill Americans and others around the world until they come up with something? You first.

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James Madison said war is the biggest threat to public liberty “...armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few.”

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And James Madison would be correct. Another known instrument is simple conquest, which is pretty much what radical Islamists have embarked upon since it's inception.

Which is also why you are seeing more and more state and municipal gun laws struck down in federal courts, and now have socialist democrats in places like Chicago scrambling to figure out how to continue denying citizens their inalienable right to keep and bear arms.

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I didn't say the philosophies were similar, I said the people that claim to hold them are similar.

Pay attention.

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You said: "The goals of many are more or less the same, with varying degrees and few points of contention."

Maybe you should pay attention, or just not say things so idiotic that you have to try crawfishing away from them.

Maybe you were just confused, and thought you were talking about democrats and socialists, rather than conservatives and liberals.

So, "many" in your statement represents those on this board whom you claim whether conservative or liberal have the same goals, and few points of contention?

Yeah, that must be why things are always so harmonious in the political board. Keep digging dude. China is down there somewhere.

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So, "many" in your statement represents those on this board whom you claim whether conservative or liberal have the same goals, and few points of contention?

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Yes.

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Yeah, that must be why things are always so harmonious in the political board.

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I knew you could do it.

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blow it up

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You've shown that words are hard for you.