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re: Iraq in downward spiral; Who will Obama blame?
Posted on 6/12/14 at 1:17 pm to mmcgrath
Posted on 6/12/14 at 1:17 pm to mmcgrath
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And when you say "planned", do you mean he circled a day on the calendar? What other "planning" did he really do... especially since McCain had no intention of leaving Iraq.
The ignorance of liberals is on full display today.
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Posted on 6/12/14 at 1:31 pm to AbuTheMonkey
quote:Yes. It basically gave a date for withdrawal. And gave rules on taxes and the like while we were still there. Ratified by Iraq in December, announced by GWB on Nov 14th, after the election.
Ever heard of the Status of Forces Agreement? Signed in November 2008?
It was designed and negotiated by the Bush administration and then followed to a T when withdrawing.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 1:33 pm to mmcgrath
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Yes. It basically gave a date for withdrawal. And gave rules on taxes and the like while we were still there. Ratified by Iraq in December, announced by GWB on Nov 14th, after the election.
So you admit it was Bush's plan. Thanks.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 1:36 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
I guess when Obama said "Al Qaeda is on the run" be meant "to Baghdad, via Mosul and Tikrit."
Posted on 6/12/14 at 1:41 pm to Lsut81
quote:Not sure. Either the Tea Party or Romney's horse.
Iraq in downward spiral; Who will Obama blame?
Posted on 6/12/14 at 1:53 pm to mmcgrath
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Yes. It basically gave a date for withdrawal. And gave rules on taxes and the like while we were still there. Ratified by Iraq in December, announced by GWB on Nov 14th, after the election.
So you admit that it was a Bush-designed plan?
It was a lot more than dates and "rules on taxes and the like". It provided an entire legal and operational framework for withdrawal. Literally every single American officer in the country had to know the thing.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 2:09 pm to LSURussian
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BEIRUT, Lebanon—Iran has deployed Revolutionary Guard forces to fight al Qaeda-inspired militants that have overrun a string of Iraqi cities, and it has helped Iraqi troops win back control of most of Tikrit, Iranian security sources said.
I was beginning to think this was a disguised Iranian incursion of some sort, guess I was wrong.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 2:11 pm to Bard
I figured Iran was going to intervene, they could not let al-Maliki's Shiite government fall and allow the Sunnis to retake power.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 2:57 pm to Lsut81
obama is the jordan jefferson of presidents
Posted on 6/12/14 at 3:18 pm to Navytiger74
quote:What are you talking about? We took control of their Central Bank, and halted the proposed Oil Bourse.
I also can't comprehend how spending trillions of American dollars and thousands of American lives to make those people's lives worse is some kind of achievement.
Ole Georgie wasn't kidding when he said, "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!"
Posted on 6/12/14 at 3:34 pm to Lsut81
The US has spent $17 billion on training the Iraqi Army - and they dropped their weapons and ran. Who would you blame for that? If the Iraqi people is not the the answer, then you are wrong.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 3:37 pm to Big12fan
To be fair, the Iraqi army kicked the shite out of ISIS when they tried to take Sammara.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 3:48 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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To be fair, the Iraqi army kicked the shite out of ISIS when they tried to take Sammara.
Good for them. So there is hope, (I guess). Regardless, I don't know how an outside force can fix this situation. The Iraqi people have to want to win back their country and learn to live with people who are of a different religion. Or they can continue on the path they are on now and self-destruct. At some point, even a raging forest fire runs out of fuel. There may be no trees left, but you can always plant seeds once the old growth is removed.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 4:31 pm to Big12fan
From Obama quote out of the Washington post:
Why is saying we will send our guys in to kick some arse such a taboo thing to do. Put the politics aside for a minute and help these people get their shite together before they are murdered like dogs.
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“I think it’s fair to say that .?.?. there will be some short-term, immediate things that need to be done militarily, and our national security team is looking at all the options,” he said.
Why is saying we will send our guys in to kick some arse such a taboo thing to do. Put the politics aside for a minute and help these people get their shite together before they are murdered like dogs.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 4:53 pm to JumpingTheShark
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Why is saying we will send our guys in to kick some arse such a taboo thing to do. Put the politics aside for a minute and help these people get their shite together before they are murdered like dogs.
We've been trying for over 10 years. Like former SOD Gates said, anybody who puts troops on the ground in the ME ought to have his head examined. Jesus, the Shia have superior weapons, and superior numbers, let them sink or swim.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 5:21 pm to AbuTheMonkey
quote:Have you read it? Its nothing more than dates that match Obama's campaign promises, and you would have never heard about it if McCain won the election.
So you admit that it was a Bush-designed plan?
It was a lot more than dates and "rules on taxes and the like". It provided an entire legal and operational framework for withdrawal. Literally every single American officer in the country had to know the thing.
Not much of a plan, unless you consider our soldiers right to carry and to wear uniforms a "plan". It was simply a commitment date. The actual planning and implementation belong to Obama.
Do you really believe that if McCain won the election that agreement would have those dates?
Posted on 6/12/14 at 6:32 pm to LSURussian
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. just an embarrassment to the administration that claims al qaeda has been decimated.
Since 'decimated' literally means reduced by 10%, that could be an accurate claim.
Russian, thought you might enjoy this read:
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Posted on 6/12/14 at 6:45 pm to mmcgrath
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Have you read it? Its nothing more than dates that match Obama's campaign promises, and you would have never heard about it if McCain won the election.
Not much of a plan, unless you consider our soldiers right to carry and to wear uniforms a "plan". It was simply a commitment date. The actual planning and implementation belong to Obama.
Do you really believe that if McCain won the election that agreement would have those dates?
Yes, I have read it. I operated under it and had to understand every little detail. I was there when this was going on. The negotiations for it, along with the Strategic Framework Agreement, started in early summer of 2008. Unless Obama is magical and had the prescience to start negotiating six months before the election, then you are flat out wrong. Furthermore, it was signed and implemented two months before Obama even took office.
The vast majority of the legwork was done by Crocker with assistance from Odierno and Gates. Obama didn't do jack except follow the SOFA and SFA.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 6:56 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:This makes the most sense of all the perspectives I've seen on Iraq. Of course, if Bush found a cure for AIDS, he'd be criticize for that as well.
Overthrowing the Saddam regime wasn't the mistake. The mistake was disbanding the Iraqi army and government after the invasion. We should have helped them rebuild the country instead of trying to do it ourselves. That is Bush's fault.
This post was edited on 6/12/14 at 6:57 pm
Posted on 6/12/14 at 7:10 pm to Lsut81
I really wonder if anyone involved in starting/continuing that war expected any outcome other than what we seem to be witnessing. Fareed Zakaria predicted as much in 2003 in his book Future of Freedom. I cannot imagine the pain that families and friends of lost soldiers must be going through when they think about the lives lost for no apparent gain.
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