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re: How the NRA Rewrote the Second Amendment

Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:34 am to
Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:34 am to
So...

This whole premise is based on law review articles published AFTER THE CIVIL WAR?

Posted by Truckasaurus
Alabama
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:35 am to
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a want


Oh, a want, you made the mistake of believing anyone on this board would actually read the article.

It's a good read, especially if you want some context over the gun control debate.
Posted by DelU249
Austria
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:35 am to
Yeah but he's going to need you to spell that out for him.
Posted by Chimlim
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:36 am to
I love how liberals continue to cry about the 2nd amendment, trying desperately to re-word it and convince people what the founding fathers really meant despite what they actually said.

All because they don't agree with it.

That damn pesky constitution seems to get in their way a lot.
Posted by DelU249
Austria
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:38 am to
I've read the law, it speaks for itself...just in case that weren't enough I decided to read the federalist papers, 46 being of particular interest...politico's headline of the NRA reinterpreting the second amendment doesn't really offer any context

It's smear. It's ideologically motivated garbage.
Posted by a want
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:38 am to


Yeah. I shoulda' known.

You know what's really funny: I'm not even for gun control legislation. Of course, I shouldn't have to say that in an adult conversation....but...

Posted by Truckasaurus
Alabama
Member since May 2014
336 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:39 am to
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They just fought a fricking war against a tyrannical government...they wanted an armed populace to keep the government they just created in check


That's a very strange, threatening way to put it.

I'm pretty sure the founding fathers instituted a representative democracy with checks and balances to keep the government in check, not the constant threat of violence towards the government.

The great thing about our government is that any grievances we have, we get to take out at the ballot box at least every two years.
Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:40 am to
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[u]That damn pesky constitution seems to get in their way a lot.


Bingo, but it's political suicide to say "frick this"

For now
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:42 am to
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That's a very strange, threatening way to put it.


What? The founders wrote the very same thing many times after the war.
Posted by DelU249
Austria
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77625 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:45 am to
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I'm pretty sure the founding fathers instituted a representative democracy with checks and balances to keep the government in check, not the constant threat of violence towards the government.


Again, how fricking dumb do you think the framers were? Do you believe they thought they had created an inpenetrable machine? FDRs court packing scheme could never be imagined by them.

Maybe you should stop reading politico and read something that actually puts the "debate" in context

They explicitly state that the threat of violence was meant to keep them in check. I guess Thomas Jefferson just needed more politico context though.
Posted by LSUnKaty
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:45 am to
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Oh, a want, you made the mistake of believing anyone on this board would actually read the article.
I read the article, did you?

It's says the SCOTUS ruled that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual’s right to own a gun in the 2nd paragraph.
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:46 am to
You can't help them. They look for context when it is all spelled out

Looking for context = we hate the constitution


If only they could go back in time and send the framers to camp for reeducation
This post was edited on 5/20/14 at 9:51 am
Posted by homesicktiger
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:46 am to
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A lot of this is addressed in the article.



Not in much detail. He writes, "We don’t really know what he meant by it," meaning the language of the Amendment, ignoring a lot of writing at the time from Madison and his contemporaries that would give us clues. But, those clues would negate the point of his article, so they were mysteriously left out.

His opening quote of Warren Burger is a popular anti-gun reference, but it, again mysteriously, ignores a lot of critical deconstruction of that quote and its context.

I get that he's not writing a novel on the subject, but his premise seems pretty flawed to me. Its reads as if he'd have been better served by talking about the evolution of the NRA than trying to assert that it "rewrote the Second Amendment." If he really intended to explain how lobbies can shape law, he picked a bad example IMO. But, I suspect, he picked the example not simply to write about how lobbies shape law.

Posted by a want
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:50 am to
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get that he's not writing a novel on the subject

He wrote a book on it. The article was adapted from his book.
Posted by Truckasaurus
Alabama
Member since May 2014
336 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:51 am to
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I read the article, did you?


Yep. I'm not arguing there is the right of an individual to carry arms.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
90871 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:51 am to
The system of checks and balances doesn't work unless the people have the ability TK revolt in the case that a government decides to ignore or abuse it. Without an armed populace a government could simply rig elections and oppress it's people.

See Russia for an example
Posted by BayouBandit24
Member since Aug 2010
16589 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:59 am to
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From 1888, when law review articles first were indexed, through 1959, every single one on the Second Amendment concluded it did not guarantee an individual right to a gun


bullshite.

Keying on the "every single one"

This post was edited on 5/20/14 at 10:00 am
Posted by BayouBandit24
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 10:01 am to
Read the actual Heller decision too btw. It cites plenty of historic sources and doctrine in reaching their conclusion.
Posted by homesicktiger
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 10:04 am to
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He wrote a book on it. The article was adapted from his book.


You linked the article. I haven't read the book. Articles are usually shorter than books, so I get the need to be brief when making an argument in an article, as opposed to a book. He does a poor job of the former, so I wouldn't be too hopeful for the latter.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
164339 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 10:05 am to
The First Amendment is way more rewritten by the left.
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