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re: How the NRA Rewrote the Second Amendment

Posted on 5/20/14 at 2:19 pm to
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 2:19 pm to
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And what good is the Second Amendment in guarding against governmental tyranny if the government gets tanks and jets and all the citizenry gets are small arms?
You're right. Citizens should have much better weapons.
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 2:22 pm to
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You're right. Citizens should have much better weapons.


They've been conditioned to not take that next step

I don't see what the fuss is all about with automatic weapons

They're so against larger magazine capacity, you'd think the wasting of ammunition would be a welcome idea to them.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 2:26 pm to
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And what good is the Second Amendment in guarding against governmental tyranny if the government gets tanks and jets and all the citizenry gets are small arms?


We had tanks and jets in Vietnam.

The Russians had tanks and jets in Afghanistan.

We had ".

We had tanks and jets in Iraq.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80399 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 2:32 pm to
Those examples shouldn't matter when talking about an originalist, literal reading of the Second Amendment.

Posted by S.E.C. Crazy
Alabama
Member since Feb 2013
7905 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 2:42 pm to

thiS man will noT read this dUmb Poppycock, Igno Dung

This post was edited on 5/20/14 at 2:43 pm
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 2:43 pm to
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Those examples shouldn't matter when talking about an originalist, literal reading of the Second Amendment


Neither would your original question.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80399 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 2:45 pm to
The reasoning that the citizenry should have access to the same type of weapons as the government transcends a certain time period.

Unless we're OK with tweaking the rationale of the Second Amendment and the Founding Fathers?
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 2:48 pm to
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The reasoning that the citizenry should have access to the same type of weapons as the government transcends a certain time period


I agree. Wasn't your question, though, something along the lines of what good is the 2A if the gov't has tanks?

Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11488 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 2:48 pm to
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Those examples shouldn't matter when talking about an originalist, literal reading of the Second Amendment.


His point is that it doesn't matter the firepower when you are up against a determined group. His statement proved your point to be irrelevant.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80399 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 2:50 pm to
That question was to illustrate the Second Amendment is already divorced from what the Founders intended.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80399 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 2:51 pm to
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His point is that it doesn't matter the firepower when you are up against a determined group. His statement proved your point to be irrelevant.


Does that mean we should change what the Founders intended when creating the Second Amendment?
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 2:52 pm to
Gotcha. I misunderstood your argument then.

Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 2:52 pm to
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That question was to illustrate the Second Amendment is already divorced from what the Founders intended.
That isn't license to trample more over the original intent. If anything... It's an argument against any more restrictions.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80399 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 2:53 pm to
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That isn't license to trample more over the original intent. If anything... It's an argument against any more restrictions.


Or to argue for the repeal of any existing restrictions. I don't understand why the pro-gun lobby doesn't take that position...
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11488 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 2:54 pm to
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Does that mean we should change what the Founders intended when creating the Second Amendment?


John Adams:

"Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense."

Thomas Jefferson:

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."

It sounds like one of the key reasons was tyranny in government.
This post was edited on 5/20/14 at 2:57 pm
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 2:55 pm to
And John Adams was a tyrant
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80399 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 3:02 pm to
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Which I guess you choose ignore.


Where did I choose to ignore that? That's central to my whole point.

I see no writings from the Founding Fathers making a distinction between the weapons the government can/should have the the arms guaranteed by the Second Amendment.
Posted by Truckasaurus
Alabama
Member since May 2014
336 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 3:04 pm to
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lsu13lsu


Both of your quotes are made up...

LINK
Posted by boosiebadazz
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 3:05 pm to
Posted by antibarner
Member since Oct 2009
23751 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 3:12 pm to
It is said that the Japanese could have invaded the US West Coast after Pearl Harbor but their planners never even considered it. Why? The US Military could not have stopped them at that time.

They would have been outnumbered by an armed and hostile populace.
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