re: How the NRA Rewrote the Second Amendment

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Fox Mulder

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They explicitly state that the threat of violence was meant to keep them in check. I guess Thomas Jefferson just needed more politico context though.

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Are you talking about when Jefferson said, "When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."

Yeah... That's most like misattributed or faked...

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Well, the assertion that the 2nd ammendment was rewritten/reinterpreted in the last 50 years is interesting.

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Since you lack the necessary understanding it should be interesting to you. Though I'm sure you could cite some example of this rewriting/reinterpreting.


Actually you probably can't but I find your shallow thinking on this topic amusing.

I'll bring up a few of the more poorly researched parts of the article and see where you "interests" lies.

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was expressing the longtime consensus of historians and judges across the political spectrum

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Unfortunately there was no such consensus, either in the courts or with historians. You see, prior to Miller the courts (lower Federal courts largely) often contradicted each other with the scope of the 2A with respect to the question of applicability and whether it protected an Individual or Collective right. Historians have argued whether the 2A created a new right or simply protected and codified an existing right, based on its relation to the English BoR as well as which ownership theory the 2A protected.

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Many are startled to learn that the U.S. Supreme Court didn’t rule that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual’s right to own a gun until 2008...

In fact, every other time the court had ruled previously, it had ruled otherwise.

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Interesting and factually devoid. First, with regards to the curious wording of "every other time the court had ruled previously". No question that "the court" refers to SCOTUS, but "every other time" seems to imply multiple cases. There are no multiple cases dealing with the 2A at the SCOTUS level prior to Heller, only the 1939 Miller case and that did not touch on the Individual/Collective Rights theories at all. It simply dealt with what constituted a weapon suitable for militia purpose (e.g. short barreled shotgun). Maybe you are too ignorant to know intellectual dishonesty when it's presented but you are far from alone.

Love how the author of this hit piece seems to think the NRA galvanized its support of the 2A in a complete vacuum by citing a general Conservative "backlash" of the period. Makes no mention of certain lobbying groups such as The Coalition to Ban Handguns coming into play during the same time period. I'm sure you'd find that interesting too, if you had more than a room temperature IQ on this topic. You have anything to say of their radicalizing for strict gun control laws?

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But a historian fact-checked the justice: “Malcolm’s name may sound British, and Bentley College, where Malcolm teaches history, may sound like a college at Oxford, but in fact Malcolm was born and raised in Utica, New York, and Bentley is a business college in Massachusetts.

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All true but why did this historian leave out the fact that Prof. Malcolm's background is in American Colonial and British history? No mention of the the books Malcolm has authored on the history of the 2A and its roots in English Common Law? Guess he didn't want to lend scholarly support to Scalia's decision.

This article is just garbage. Full of lies, strawmen, and revisionist history nonsense.

State militias have not been "dissolved". They are legally defined in the constitutions of the states. They are just no longer called upon because there has been no situation that professional law enforcement hasn't been able to handle for over a century, and we no longer utilize a conscript military.

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Ace Midnight

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All of what this guy just said.

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And to top it off, they now argue that is not them, but the evil NRA that is reinterpreting the second amendment

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Which is funny because every Libtard with access to a keyboard was gleefully touting the NRA-is-a-paper-tiger line after the November '12 elections. Somehow the NRA went from all-powerful lobby juggernaut to weak-outdated-lobby-of-old-white-guys and back to super-time-travelling-lobby juggernaut in less than a year.

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Ace Midnight

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I know you may be taking my quote out of context. I was not talking about Jefferson's support of the right to bear arms.

I was questioning the assertion that the reason for his support of that was for armed rebellion against the US Government, which is what a want said when he posted

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They just fought a fricking war against a tyrannical government...they wanted an armed populace to keep the government they just created in check

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None of the quotes you posted, which I know at least most of them are correctly attributed to Jefferson, talk about the right to bear arms being used to keep the US Government in check.

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It seems to me that it sites the militia as justification for arms.

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. . . and ensures the right of every American to bear arms as a result of that justification.

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. . . and ensures the right of every American to bear arms as a result of that justification.

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....so long as every American is in the militia. It seems to me that U.S. Armed Forces or local/state/federal policing agencies serve this purpose. In order to maintain a well regluated militia....

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U.S. Armed Forces

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Really?
You must be trolling