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re: How the NRA Rewrote the Second Amendment
Posted on 5/20/14 at 12:22 pm to a want
Posted on 5/20/14 at 12:22 pm to a want
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.so long as every American is in the militia
oh? I see nothing in that statement that would lead me to believe that every person must be a member of the militia. I do however see that no person's right to bear arms shall be infringed.
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 12:24 pm to DelU249
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What quotes did I post?
You didn't post any quotes. I never said you did.
What I did say was that Thomas Jefferson never said the reason for the right to bear arms was to keep the U.S. Government in check.
My point goes back to that it is the voting booth that is the ultimate weapon against an out of control government.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 12:24 pm to a want
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....so long as every American is in the militia. It seems to me that U.S. Armed Forces or local/state/federal policing agencies serve this purpose.
Not according to the Supreme Court.
See, I just don't understand the hacky "NRA wrote" stuff. They presented a case and the SC ruled. End of it.
I feel the same way about Abortion and the ACA garbage. The SC has ruled on it. Either the composition of the SC must change AND agree to hear / overturn established rulings...OR someone is gonna have to get an Amendment passed to alter the Constitution.
It is silliness to point at the prevailing side and pick out individuals or organizations and say "THEY DID THIS DASTARDLY DEED!"
Our system is set up so the the SC makes these rulings....deal with it.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 12:25 pm to a want
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o long as every American is in the militia. It seems to me that U.S. Armed Forces or local/state/federal policing agencies serve this purpose. In order to maintain a well regluated militia.
Seems you don't know the definition of a militia and that Federal forces are specifically exempted under the relevant U.S.C.'s. State/Tribal LEA's are more-or-less paid militia members but that doesn't absolve nor replace the duties of the general public.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 12:25 pm to a want
quote:NEGATIVE !
....so long as every American is in the militia
There was never a time when "every American wass in the militia".
Never!
Posted on 5/20/14 at 12:26 pm to a want
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so long as every American is in the militia
How a one sentence, clear as day law could throw you this far is hilarious
It's either denial or stupidity
Posted on 5/20/14 at 12:26 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
I get what you are saying, and agree for the most part, but there is a pretty big difference in trying to change SC ruling with regards to Abortion and the ACA that trying to change the interpretation of the 2A.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 12:26 pm to a want
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so long as every American is in the militia
quote:
“I ask you sir, who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people.” -George Mason (Elliott, Debates, 425-426)
For Truck:
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George Washington: “A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.”
Posted on 5/20/14 at 12:27 pm to NC_Tigah
I can't even believe you would bother explaining this
They know, but it feels empowering to get behind masta's orders
They know, but it feels empowering to get behind masta's orders
Posted on 5/20/14 at 12:28 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
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It is silliness to point at the prevailing side and pick out individuals or organizations and say "THEY DID THIS DASTARDLY DEED!" Our system is set up so the the SC makes these rulings....deal with it.
But I haven't done that. I simply posted an article I thought was interesting (and since this thread is on page 5, I'd say I was right).
I agree with you. The S.C. has ruled, now let's more forward.
But seriously: I'm not pro gun control. I think it's a waste of time and it won't do what people think it will do. People's gut reactions are very interesting though. 
Posted on 5/20/14 at 12:28 pm to BamaFan89
This is such an epic fail on a want and truckasaurus' part
Glorious, even their masters have given up on the reinterpretation route. It's fools gold .
Glorious, even their masters have given up on the reinterpretation route. It's fools gold .
Posted on 5/20/14 at 12:30 pm to BamaFan89
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BamaFan89
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For Truck:
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George Washington: “A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.”
Sorry buddy, that quote is also a fake...
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A further quote sometimes purported to be from a speech to Congress, January 7, 1790 purportedly in the Boston Independent Chronicle, January 14, 1790, this is actually a corruption of a statement made in his first State of the Union Address, relating to the need for maintaining governmental troops and military preparedness:
A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined; to which end a uniform and well-digested plan is requisite; and their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories as tend to render them independent of others for essential, particularly military, supplies.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 12:31 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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but there is a pretty big difference in trying to change SC ruling with regards to Abortion and the ACA that trying to change the interpretation of the 2A.
Really?
How?
Interpretation gave us EACH of those things as they currently exist. I see zero difference.
In fact, i see MORE support for "right to bear arms" than right to abortion or healthcare 'tax' penalties. At least the words are specifically stated in the 2A
Posted on 5/20/14 at 12:31 pm to Truckasaurus
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Thomas Jefferson never said the reason for the right to bear arms was to keep the U.S. Government in check.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 12:32 pm to a want
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I'm not pro gun control.
But this is a policy position, correct? You are against gun control leglistation in the current political climate because it has negative consequences for the Democratic party.
Howver, you sincerely believe that there is no individual right and you feel far more threatened by individuals bearing arms than the government, correct?
(I apologize if I have misinterpreted your position.)
Posted on 5/20/14 at 12:33 pm to Truckasaurus
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Thomas Jefferson: “And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance?
Any better?
Posted on 5/20/14 at 12:33 pm to Truckasaurus
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When the Revolutionary War began, the 13 colonies lacked a professional army or navy. Each colony sponsored a local militia. Militiamen were lightly armed, had little training, and usually did not have uniforms. Their units served for only a few weeks or months at a time, were reluctant to travel far from home and thus were unavailable for extended operations. Furthermore, they lacked the training and discipline of soldiers with more experience.
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 12:34 pm to BamaFan89
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Any better?
I also thought the "blood of patriots and tyrants" was pretty clear from TJ, as well.
Who would the "tyrants" be? (Many people just quote the first half, but I always add, verbally, the "...and tyrants" after a pregnant pause - sort of the George S. Patton influence.)
Posted on 5/20/14 at 12:35 pm to DelU249
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Fox Mulder
I can't believe I'm having to argue with the person who I think has the best sig pic on this entire board.
(I grew up watching the Simpsons and the X-Files on Sunday nights; and the Simpsons episode with that Mulder pic is one of my faves in the history of the show)
That being said, putting
doesn't make the statement you quoted from me incorrect. ETA: I also had the "I Want to Believe" poster hanging in my room during college.
This post was edited on 5/20/14 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 5/20/14 at 12:36 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
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How?
Because one is trying to change an amendment to the constitution, the other two are laws that people are questioning the gov't role in dictating what people can/can't do.
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In fact, i see MORE support for "right to bear arms" than right to abortion or healthcare 'tax' penalties. At least the words are specifically stated in the 2A
I agree. I don't think I made my point clear. Lobbying to change the USSC decision on Abortion or ACA makes much more sense to do, than changing the interpretation of the 2A.
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