re: How can people with morals survive in an immoral world?

. Having morals is not doing something when no one is watching.


This is always the basic test.

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Not doing something because you fear punishment isn't considered "morality" in my book. Having morals is not doing something when no one is watching.

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This sounds great. So all displays of public immorality are fine?

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It ls true that a non believer can be moral in business and life, but it is also true that a person who doesn't believe in a moral standard or an afterlife to answer for those things done in this life would have less restraints to use immoral or amoral tactics to achieve his goals.

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Religious or non-religious has nothing to do with scumbaggery. I work in an industry full of cross wearing, email psalm signaturing people and frankly they're the ones I'm most wary of.

You are a mighty ignorant man.

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You are a mighty ignorant man.

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I am about certain subjects. So are you and every poster on this site. What's your point?

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It is the people with pretend moral codes who commit the most crimes. The just justify it as carrying out punishment on the unjust.

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Where do you come up with this idea that people with a pretend moral code commit most crimes? If it's a pretend moral code then I guess those people were not moral in the 1st place, I can tell you from personal experience that most of the riff raff I got high with, did petty crimes with, wasted time with are either dead or their lives have been dead ends. I can tell you we were not having bible study before we fired up a doobie or planned a car break in, God was the last thing on our minds.

This might be your dumbest post ever.

It is fricking sickening to me religious people think they have a monopoly on morality. Then claim the Bible for that standard when its chalked full of absolutely horrible, despicable revelations.

American Christians you so obviously and arrogantly assume should run this country are a conniving bunch of delusional liars, charlatans, misinformers that constantly cherry pick morality to suit whatever agenda they want to force on other people.

Why on Earth would anyone want to use the Bible as a moral guide, when every single day you and every other christian, Revelator, chose to ignore 99 percent of whats taught in it because you know deep down you have more morality than what is found inside its verses, same with the shite writings of the Koran.

Claiming some type of moral high ground and using the Ten Commandments, a set of 10 from a lot of over 600 that are stupidly disgusting is outright asinine...

how bout you do what reasonable people do...do unto others what you would want done to you....dont need a book to tell you that nor fictional characters from sheepherder myths.

I think the OP might have looked too narrowly at the issue he raised. The idea that there is a "natural law", found in all cultures, places and times-which C.S. Lewis referred to as the "Tao" in his book The Abolition of Man-is perhaps what Revelator had in mind. A daily struggle ongoing between those who recognize and adhere to this "Tao" and those who do not.

That there is such a natural law seemed obvious to Lewis. Different cultures have marriage traditions. Some allow multiple wives and some only one. Both cultures understand it is wrong for one man to take another man's wife. There are other examples. What Lewis found interesting was that he believed most aberrations of the "Tao" are twisted and tortured corruptions of things that at their core were "Tao". Lewis saw, I think, most biblical sin as violations of the "Tao" and perversions of it.

Lewis saw this as perfectly in harmony with his Christian faith. The Christian meta-narrative is, at a minimum, the explanation of mankind's great falling away from the "Tao" through a twisting and perverting of it by the Deceiver. That succeeding civilizations and cultures would echo the Creator's "Tao" in their moral teachings did not surprise Lewis nor was he at odds with Christianity being the vehicle chosen by that Creator to recreate creation and bring mankind back into the heart of the "Tao".

In any event, I think Lewis's book, though it deals with issues other than just the "Tao", is pertinent to Revelator's larger question.

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How can people with morals survive in an immoral world?

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When has the world ever been moral?

Was it when we were depriving blacks the right to vote, travel, and marry whites?

Was it when we were slaughtering natives and owning people as property?

Was it when the Church was executing people for worshipping Jesus the wrong way?

Or maybe it was even before Christ, when literally every citizen of a conquered city-state would be murdered, brutally maimed, or enslaved?


Just curious.

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Even our earthly laws are based on some standard of moral conduct.

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This is incorrect, the American justice system makes no claims about morality.

Laws in this country define what is illegal, not what is immoral.