re: How can people with morals survive in an immoral world?

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One mans view of moral is another persons sin. The problem lies in imposing your brand of morality on someone else. I don't buy into the immoral Christian hypocrite argument. The truth is the whole purpose of a belief system is to strive to live by it. Christians fail at it, but I believe everyone knows they fall short and live by grace and forgiveness and try to be better the next day. It is not hypocritical to fail admit and keep driving on. I'm not a Christian but did have twelve years of catechism. So I believe I'm in the ball park.

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what you explain does happen, but let me say this.

If there is no agreed upon system of morality or ethical system that everyone lives by, the world will fall apart. We mostly have this in America, there are many things we as a society agree is immoral.

Murder
Child Abuse
Rape
Stealing
Fraud
etc.

So our own society imposes morality on us. The only question is how much should there be.

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I'll rephrase is it a conservative vs liberal thing?

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No. It's just an observation that there is an unbalanced playing field if one chooses to live his life and run his business with moral ethics if those around him do not.

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No. It's just an observation that there is an unbalanced playing field if one chooses to live his life and run his business with moral ethics if those around him do not.

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such is the world we live in. I don't try to let this get to me to much, I concern myself with making enough to get by, enjoy what I do with my life, and provide for family.

If you want to become rich unfortunately you have to do it immorally. Some people are able to do it honestly but many times people will lie and cheat to get an advantage.

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Atheists are significantly less likely to commit crimes than cultural Christians. This contradicts the OP's point. Using his standard, at the very least cultural Christians and non believers should be equally deviant...yet they are not. Not even close. The label of "protestant" makes you 200 times more likely to end up in jail than "atheist".

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first you missed my point.

second you are engaging in the common fallacy of correlation doesn't imply causation.

My point is that there are so many culturally Christian people in this country that when people drop look how immoral Christians are, they fail to realize many people say their Christian but don't really follow the Christian way of life.

I fully suspect that those who actually follow the Christian way of life, who go to Church at-least weekly, who pray, who read the scriptures, etc. are less likely to go to jail.

you didn't prove this wrong, all you did is show that those who call themselves Christian are more likely to go to jail.

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you didn't prove this wrong, all you did is show that those who call themselves Christian are more likely to go to jail.

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Exactly

Using the OP's original premise, all those who reject judgement should be equally deviant. That isn't the case. Just calling yourself a nonbeliever makes you less likely to break society's moral code.

a couple more things could explain this atheist lower chance going to jail.

1) There is a very small percentage of people who come from atheists families, most atheists grew up with their parents being Christian and became atheists.
2) 1 means that an atheists becomes an atheist when he breaks away from his family in college and maybe high school.
3) I have found that those in the intellectual community are more likely to be an atheist than those who are labors. (I'm guessing I could be wrong)
4) with a low percentage of atheists, the fact that many of them convert to atheist so to speak, and the fact that more of them tend to be in the intellectual community, less get arrested.
5) Many Christians are culturally Chrisitan, their parents went to x Church so they call themselves Christian.

There is a major difference between calling yourself Christian and actually being Christian.

Just because I'm in my garage doesn't make me a mechanic. Just because I call myself Christian doesn't make me one.

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So tens of thousands of good Christians are wrongfully imprisoned.

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No, thousands who either say they are Christian but aren't are deceived or liars. Tell me you
haven't seen numerous mothers say my boy is a good boy after being convicted of murder? Are they really good simply because of the proclamation or is it simply inaccurate?

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Society to me would be imposing say if I were against war because I believed it was murder and being forced to serve or imprisoned for it. Or certain views on alcohol consumption or dancing. One mans fun is another's sin.

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I agree with that.

But I'm sure you know that many times the don't impose your morals on me is used against certain laws. Abortion is just one example.

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“To continue this point, the universe, as we know it, and from everything that we can learn about it, has been getting always more complex since it began. It does this because that is its nature. The tendency toward complexity has carried the universe from almost perfect simplicity to the kind of complexity that we see around us, everywhere we look. The universe is always doing this. It is always moving from the simple to the complex., ‘this universe that we know, began in almost absolute simplicity, and it has been getting more complex for about fifteen billion years. In another billion years it will be still more“complex than it is now. In five billion, in ten billion—it is always getting more complex. It is moving toward . . . something. It is moving toward some kind of ultimate complexity. We might not get there. An atom of hydrogen might not get there, or a leaf, or a man, or a planet might not get there, to that ultimate complexity. But we are all moving towards it—everything in the universe is moving towards it. And that final complexity, that thing we are all moving to, is what I choose to call God. If you don’t like that word, God, call it the Ultimate Complexity. Whatever you call it, the whole universe is moving toward it

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