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re: Hawaii just became the first US state to pass a bill supporting basic income
Posted on 7/5/17 at 4:37 pm to boogiewoogie1978
Posted on 7/5/17 at 4:37 pm to boogiewoogie1978
hawaii should seize mark zuckerberg and the oracle guy land and use the proceeeds to pay for it
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Posted on 7/5/17 at 4:38 pm to toratiger
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They are racist and bigoted and will steal a "haole" blind. Go to Costa Rico. Hawaii is very overrated.
Let's just trade Hawaii for Puerto Rico. Both are dying to be socialist deadbeats; we wouldn't have to change the flag, and it would be easier for most of country to get to PR than Hawaii considering most of the population is located in the eastern part of the US.
Sure we'd lose their goofy shirts, punch, and pineapples. However, we'd gain rum and good domestic baseball players.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 4:38 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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The Island of Niihau.
Never heard of this. Just got back from wikipedia...fascinating story and history.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 4:42 pm to boogiewoogie1978
I'm not sure how this will work on a single state level. What's to stop every deadbeat in the country from moving to Hawaii and crashing the system? You would have residency requirements, of course, but Hawaii already has a huge homeless problem. Plenty of people would be happy to bum on the beach long enough to start collecting a check.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 4:43 pm to boogiewoogie1978
Basic income is interesting and may actually become more popular in the near future.
The thing with basic income is it needs to be an either or situation with other welfare.
You give basic income but eliminate all other welfare benefits.... the problem with that is that some need more help than others. Like say you give everyone X amount of dollars but completely eliminate help for retarded children where care could run in the tens of thousands of dollars a year for therapy.
The thing with basic income is it needs to be an either or situation with other welfare.
You give basic income but eliminate all other welfare benefits.... the problem with that is that some need more help than others. Like say you give everyone X amount of dollars but completely eliminate help for retarded children where care could run in the tens of thousands of dollars a year for therapy.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 4:43 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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they felt like they were entitled to the islands before Europeans arrived
To their credit, we did literally steal the islands from them.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 4:43 pm to Centinel
Hawaii has the largest population of homeless people in the US per pop. This bill is going to motivate a lot more people to not work.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 5:03 pm to boogiewoogie1978
If Hawaii believes it's best then I say great, and good luck.
Now I don't want to read later that they aren't going to include immigrants, but that's another story.
Now I don't want to read later that they aren't going to include immigrants, but that's another story.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 5:04 pm to boogiewoogie1978
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the idea of paying people a salary just for being alive.
We used to call that an "allowance." It was for children. Once we were old enough to cut grass or babysit, the allowance went away.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 5:05 pm to boogiewoogie1978
So the homeless can buy new tents! Yay!
Posted on 7/5/17 at 5:08 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Actually, it's not they strict anymore. They actually allow tours of the island departing from Kauai. It's not like Deliverance. The natives there have worked for the Robinson family's business interest for decades. Mainly cattle farming and self sustaining farming. They will still "ask" you to leave the island if you do not visit on one of the tourist boats they now allow in.
Interestingly, the Robinsons are extremely land rich as they own damn near half of Kauai's undeveloped land but have almost nothing else in liquid assets except their small business interests on Ni'ihau.
Interestingly, the Robinsons are extremely land rich as they own damn near half of Kauai's undeveloped land but have almost nothing else in liquid assets except their small business interests on Ni'ihau.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 5:10 pm to northshorebamaman
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What's to stop every deadbeat in the country from moving to Hawaii and crashing the system?
Probably nothin' but airfare.
Hawaii is crazy.
When California secedes, the two ought to merge.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 5:13 pm to boogiewoogie1978
So......is this when I say "frick it" and go live in Hawaii risk-free for a bit before the economy collapses from others doing the same thing and the cost of tourism skyrocketing even more than it is now?
Posted on 7/5/17 at 5:18 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Don't know why they are racist either. They were straight up conquered.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 5:25 pm to SuperSaint
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The thing with basic income is it needs to be an either or situation with other welfare.
Liberals don't agree with you.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 5:58 pm to SuperSaint
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Basic income is interesting and may actually become more popular in the near future.
At some point, due to automation, it will likely happen, but I think it may come in the form of credits or vouchers for certain commodities. Utility credits, food credits, etc., rather than actual income.
At this point in time, it's a pretty terrible idea, imho, but I could see it working temporarily in Hawaii. It will be funded with new taxes on tourists, not income taxes on locals, I'm sure. At least, until the new taxes take their toll on tourism.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 6:00 pm to boogiewoogie1978
Now we know where to ship all of our poor and homeless to.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 6:02 pm to boogiewoogie1978
Everyone in the rest of the country should become a resident of Hawaii and drain their system dry
Posted on 7/5/17 at 6:05 pm to HempHead
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lol @ your conception of what a right is
It is funny.
The first rule of rights is that a true right requires no demands upon others, except to respect their rights.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 6:06 pm to tarzana
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A guaranteed basic income should be the LAW OF THE LAND, as it is, as well as healthcare, and education, a fundamental RIGHT of all Americans.
Don't you believe that necessity is the mother of invention?
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