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Posted on 4/26/17 at 2:12 pm to LSURussian
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I'm confident if an ISP did that indiscriminately the market would punish them by customers switching to other ISP's.
Most people do not have another choice for another ISP. I live in a major metro area and have one choice - Charter. If I moved to the other side of the city I would still have one choice, but it would be with Comcast. In Baton Rouge, or anywhere in Louisiana, your only actual option is Cox. DSL is a far slower technology that simply can't compete.
So that's the reality. What happens when the handful of mega ISPs start requiring you to pay $150+ per month for the "full tier" internet package that allows you to visit any website you want, while all other cheaper internet packages block access to most sites, such as this one?
The market can't punish them because there is no market.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 2:13 pm to LSURussian
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I'm confident if an ISP did that indiscriminately the market would punish them by customers switching to other ISP's.
A huge majority of people have one option when it comes to high speed internet. There is no free market.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 2:13 pm to LSURussian
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I'm confident if an ISP did that indiscriminately the market would punish them by customers switching to other ISP's
A lot of municipalities only have one or two ISPs and it's almost impossible for anyone else to compete (including Google). My prediction is that the consumer is going to get gang raped by the ISPs.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 2:16 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Depends on if it is in their contract that they may do so.
Let's say that's the case. You sign up for internet service, and that's a line in the contract.
So the rules go into effect, and 6 months from now your ISP decides to block your access to this website. You'll have access to basic email, ESPN, Facebook, Youtube, etc, but smaller sites like this are completely blocked. You would be perfectly content with this?
This post was edited on 4/26/17 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 4/26/17 at 2:17 pm to Cs
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True or false - your ISP should have full legal authority to block your access to any website without a valid reason.
In a vacuum, my answer is true. You have the right to switch providers if you feel that your ISP is not acceptable to your needs. I also feel that you would think an ISP could use internal "net neutrality" as a competitive advantage and selling point in an unregulated world. If the market thinks this is a worthwhile benefit for that particular ISP, they will make $. In a regulated world, you are probably paying more than you could be in an unregulated world.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 2:18 pm to Haughton99
quote:Then there is a great opportunity for other ISP's to enter the market.
A huge majority of people have one option when it comes to high speed internet. There is no free market.
I'm not surprised you prefer the government telling private businesses what they must do to serve their customers.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 2:18 pm to Cs
Republicans are about to frick themselves up. They will lose 95%+ of the under 35 demographic
Posted on 4/26/17 at 2:18 pm to LSURussian
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Then there is a great opportunity for other ISP's to enter the market.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 2:23 pm to Haughton99
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A huge majority of people have one option when it comes to high speed internet. There is no free market.
So, like 75%? I don't have any statistics/references to prove you wrong but I would bet you don't have anything to back that statement up. It seems VERY high. Where I am, I could get internet through Comcast, Verizon, any satellite server, or even through my cell phone provider.
By saying there "is no free market" are you saying that you don't have the right to invest your own money into starting up a company to provide another option or do you mean there is "only one choice."?
Posted on 4/26/17 at 2:27 pm to LSURussian
Barriers to entry into the business are gigantic and you know it.
If you are ok with paying an extra fee on top of your already high internet bill so you can access Netflix then so be it. I'm not ok with it.
This is a blatant payoff for campaign dollars from the big ISPs. There is no benefit to end users from the ending of net neutrality. None.
If you are ok with paying an extra fee on top of your already high internet bill so you can access Netflix then so be it. I'm not ok with it.
This is a blatant payoff for campaign dollars from the big ISPs. There is no benefit to end users from the ending of net neutrality. None.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 2:31 pm to MeTarzanYouInsane
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By saying there "is no free market" are you saying that you don't have the right to invest your own money into starting up a company to provide another option or do you mean there is "only one choice."?
From a practical standpoint, it would be extremely difficult to start an ISP that competed against established providers. It requires huge investments in infrastructure and licenses/permits. Plus there are lots of protectionist laws in place for existing ISPs that vary by area. It's virtually impossible to navigate all of this. Even google is giving up.
In a perfect world, there would be lower barriers to entry and net neutrality wouldn't be a big issue. However, with the current market, net neutrality is going to give existing ISPs even more power in a market where virtually no competition is allowed.
This post was edited on 4/26/17 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 4/26/17 at 2:33 pm to Haughton99
quote:No, I don't know it. Since you do why don't you enlighten us.
Barriers to entry into the business are gigantic and you know it.
quote:I'm okay with not being addicted to watching Netflix to be happy. You should try it.
If you are ok with paying an extra fee on top of your already high internet bill so you can access Netflix then so be it. I'm not ok with it.
Again, I'm not surprised you put more faith in government bureaucrats than you do customers choosing what to pay for.
If enough customers tell an ISP to frick off because of its internet policies, guess what the ISP will do?
Posted on 4/26/17 at 2:35 pm to Cs
Go out and spend hundreds of billions of dollars over several decades building a network and get back to me on net freeloading neutrality!
Posted on 4/26/17 at 2:38 pm to LSURussian
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I'm confident if an ISP did that indiscriminately the market would punish them by customers switching to other ISP's.
In most areas of the country, internet providers have exclusive deals with the small towns they serve. While its getting better, its not like you can drive up the street and get a different provider if you don't like your current one.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 2:39 pm to Bass Tiger
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Go out and spend hundreds of billions of dollars over several decades building a network and get back to me on net freeloading neutrality!
You mean the billions of dollars of taxpayer subsidies those companies received to build out their networks?
Posted on 4/26/17 at 2:40 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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It's a sad day in American when the federal government not getting between a company and their customers is considered interfering.
You people truly have brain disorders.
Any other business, and I would agree 100% with you.
But unfortunately, ISPs have set up an oligopoly and there is very little chance of competition since they don't want to build out their networks over each other.
Since consumers don't have many ISP options, they need to be regulated.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 2:41 pm to Cs
quote:Link?
You mean the billions of dollars of taxpayer subsidies those companies received to build out their networks?
Posted on 4/26/17 at 2:43 pm to Cs
We are about to pay a lot more for internet access including fast and slow lanes to third party internet companies like Netflix and Hulu.
You better hope you have competition in your area to at least have a chance.
Victory for the lobbyist.
You better hope you have competition in your area to at least have a chance.
Victory for the lobbyist.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 2:43 pm to LSURussian
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If enough customers tell an ISP to frick off because of its internet policies, guess what the ISP will do?
Comcast is ranked as the most hated company by its customers annually. Guess what. Their customers don't tell them to frick off. Know why. Because they can't.
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