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re: FCC announces plan to reverse Title II net neutrality
Posted on 4/26/17 at 4:03 pm to Bass Tiger
Posted on 4/26/17 at 4:03 pm to Bass Tiger
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Go out and spend hundreds of billions of dollars over several decades building a network and get back to me on net freeloading neutrality!
The US internet infrastructure is embarrassingly poor and behind the times. Sad for a country that is supposed to lead the way when it comes to tech.
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 4:08 pm to CorporateTiger
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Anyone who believes there is any free market for ISPs should just look at Google Fiber. Google, one of the largest companies on the planet, couldn't push their way through the morass of local regulations and permitting issues to achieve widespread success with Fiber. Do you know why they couldn't? Because the other telecoms fought them every step of the way. They don't want to compete, they want to mooch of the monopolies that local government have given them.
Yep, they tried in Lville and the local gov't and ISPs stopped them real fast.
Non tech savy people just don't get it. Infrastructure and fiber can be shared by multiple ISPs. Who ever owns it charges the other ISP to rent their lines.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 4:15 pm to BaddestAndvari
quote:In the Carolinas, AT&T is laying fiber like a banshee in the House of Cable
good luck with that, when the company with the most money trying to do it - dropped out of the game
Posted on 4/26/17 at 4:17 pm to Cs
shite like this is why, although I have my issues with the Democrats, I still look across the aisle and see a party and an ideology I just cannot support.
This post was edited on 4/26/17 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 4/26/17 at 4:19 pm to NC_Tigah
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In the Carolinas, AT&T is laying fiber like a banshee in the House of Cable
bc the competition forced their hand
My parents in NC have ATMC and their quality of service is outstanding compared to AT&T service that isn't fiber.
NN allows other ISPs into new markets and gives upstarts a chance. More competition forces other ISPs to improve their service, offer decent prices and have no data caps.
The quality of internet with its price point in the US is bad compared to the rest of the first world. O also data caps, what kind of freedom lets someone limit how much internet you can use?
This post was edited on 4/26/17 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 4/26/17 at 4:21 pm to NC_Tigah
Yeah companies are laying fiber in a few places where they have to, but the chances of me getting fiber any time soon is basically zilch
Posted on 4/26/17 at 4:22 pm to NC_Tigah
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In the Carolinas, AT&T is laying fiber like a banshee in the House of Cable
There arse needs to get to Columbia. Fiber all over the damn place in Charleston, but here in the freaking state capital we don't have shite.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 4:24 pm to CorporateTiger
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Yeah companies are laying fiber in a few places where they have to, but the chances of me getting fiber any time soon is basically zilch
That will not change with or without NN.
A bunch of people in here are talking about the real disease in this industry which is lack of competition. NN is a symptom of that disease.
We really won't fix anything until we deregulate at all levels....federal, state, and local. This might be a pipe dream but adding more regulation certainly won't get us there.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 4:26 pm to LSU316
I touched on local and state regulation extensively. I would prefer to see a free market for ISPs, but that won't happen until state and local regulation changes dramatically.
Repealing NN first is like taking the condom off before you get vasectomy. Sure the condom isn't needed once the vasectomy is done, but you better keep it on till then.
Repealing NN first is like taking the condom off before you get vasectomy. Sure the condom isn't needed once the vasectomy is done, but you better keep it on till then.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 4:28 pm to CorporateTiger
We went raw dog for a long time before we put on the rubber in 2015.....we didn't get anything that couldn't wash off and no leg humpers.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 4:28 pm to CorporateTiger
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Yeah companies are laying fiber in a few places where they have to, but the chances of me getting fiber any time soon is basically zilch
Yup Cable One has no reason to improve their crap service where I live. Ive already noticed them throttling me as I approach my low arse data cap. My whole house is configured for gig down speeds, modem, routers, switches and cat6. I pay for 200 and have been getting 50 tops at some times. With shared crappy cable infrastructure 200 homes sharing the same node will degrade quality of service. With fiber to the door no such issue or at least fiber to more nodes in the neighborhood making the few hundred feet coax not that bad.
I've posted this in another thread but ill do it again.
In Germany, i got 100 down, for 20 euro a month the first year then went to 30. No caps or any other restrictions
In England. 100 down fiber to my door about 25 pounds a month. No cap or any other restrictions.
So here is a great example of all ISPs in England being able to compete.
So for a couple years the major ISPs in the UK started implementing a line rental charge bc no one was using landline phones so they tied your internet to a line rental charge. Vodafone enters the ISP game in England offering fiber to the door at good prices and with no line rental. All of a sudden all the rest of the ISPs got rid of line rental charges. Thus lowering everyone's bill.
Crazy I know.
The place i just moved to in Oklahoma, there is only one player in town which is Cable One. At first you look at some of the prices and think not bad. 100 down for $35 a month then $55 after three months. But here is the catch, that plan has a 300GB data cap
Say you want their 1TB data cap. Well you have to sign up for their gig down plan at $175 a month. That is absurd
Posted on 4/26/17 at 4:29 pm to LSU316
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That will not change with or without NN. A bunch of people in here are talking about the real disease in this industry which is lack of competition. NN is a symptom of that disease. We really won't fix anything until we deregulate at all levels....federal, state, and local. This might be a pipe dream but adding more regulation certainly won't get us there.
Actually you are wrong. More competition creates better service and ive seen it in England.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 4:31 pm to LSURussian
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I have at least 5 providers I could use for data/internet services where I live and only one of them has a wire coming into my house.
Do some of the other 4 buy bandwidth from the one that does have the wire?
Posted on 4/26/17 at 4:32 pm to StraightCashHomey21
quote:I'm all for that. But how so?
NN allows other ISPs into new markets and gives upstarts a chance
Posted on 4/26/17 at 4:44 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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It's a sad day in American when the federal government not getting between a company and their customers is considered interfering.
Are we pro free market again? I can't keep up.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 4:47 pm to NC_Tigah
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I'm all for that. But how so?
It helps stop the road blocks in place by some local or state gov't. They have been bought off by ISPs.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 4:52 pm to StraightCashHomey21
All this tiered service talk...can't a VPN work around all that?
Posted on 4/26/17 at 4:54 pm to crazycubes
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All this tiered service talk...can't a VPN work around all that?
work around what exactly?
Using a vpn tunnel actually slows your speeds down, and you still use bandwidth and data even if you are chaining your IP bouncing from server to server.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 4:55 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Actually you are wrong.
Wrong.
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More competition creates better service
I never said it didn't. In fact I agree. I'm saying that keeping NN won't create more competition, and getting rid of NN won't bar entry into the game any worse than what it is already...in fact it could help in that area.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 4:55 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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It helps stop the road blocks in place by some local or state gov't.
It certainly does not.
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