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Posted on 2/12/17 at 5:00 pm to GAAtty70
quote:Apparently my point flew right over your head. People believe what they believe because they believe it is the truth. If you knew something was a lie you would not believe it.
Why does a different viewpoint have to be a lie? Is it all so desperate as that in your world?
Why would you want your children to believe something you don't believe is true?
Posted on 2/12/17 at 5:13 pm to GAAtty70
Common sense and logic will lead them down the right path.
Posted on 2/12/17 at 5:15 pm to FooManChoo
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Apparently my point flew right over your head. People believe what they believe because they believe it is the truth. If you knew something was a lie you would not believe it.
Why would you want your children to believe something you don't believe is true?
No, I understood you completely. My argument is that you can subscribe to a particular political ideology and believe it to be the best while recognizing that reasonable, intelligent people could simply disagree.
It does not make one the absolute truth and another an absolute lie. Those terms are totally black and white whereas in my opinion, politics is a grey area.
Posted on 2/12/17 at 6:03 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I want them to think for themselves
I don't recommend that in your case..
Posted on 2/12/17 at 6:08 pm to GooseSix
id be pretty fricking pissed if my kid decided to be a sjw type. They would find life to be difficult once dad cuts off the financial support
Posted on 2/12/17 at 6:12 pm to heartbreakTiger
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They would find life to be difficult once dad cuts off the financial support
That is exactly what needs to happen across this country nation wide.
Posted on 2/12/17 at 7:12 pm to GooseSix
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They would find life to be difficult once dad cuts off the financial support
That is exactly what needs to happen across this country nation wide.
How would you feel about the conservative students who get cut off by liberal parents? Or is that narrow-minded intolerance?
This post was edited on 2/12/17 at 7:14 pm
Posted on 2/12/17 at 7:35 pm to GAAtty70
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How would you feel about the conservative students who get cut off by liberal parents? Or is that narrow-minded intolerance
No it's called being a shitty parent. Teaching your children to not be regressive leaches in life will help them stabilize themselves.
Posted on 2/12/17 at 8:24 pm to GAAtty70
No. I make it a point to try and not give commentary while watching the news or anything. I want them to think for themselves.
Posted on 2/12/17 at 8:27 pm to GAAtty70
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Do you want your children to share your political viewpoint?
They can share them with whomever will listen. That type of genius should be shared.
Posted on 2/12/17 at 8:35 pm to FooManChoo
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People believe what they believe because they believe it is the truth. If you knew something was a lie you would not believe it.
Why would you want your children to believe something you don't believe is true?
I think it's erroneous to think about politics in the terms of truths and lies. It's about differing value systems. Some of us prioritize maintaining civility and avoiding barbarism. Some us prioritize the oppressor/oppressed dynamic. Others prioritize individual freedoms. Not that everyone doesn't value or recognize all of these things, but we all prioritize them differently, sometimes at the cost of the other.
The more committed you are to your value system, the more other value systems appear to be based on "lies" or to not have any merit.
Posted on 2/12/17 at 10:12 pm to GAAtty70
quote:The topic isn't about recognizing that there are differing opinions between smart people. The topic is about wanting your children to share your political viewpoint. I want my children to share my political viewpoint because I believe that my politics align with my worldview and my worldview is pretty black and white, at least in most cases. Since I believe I have a right view on life and politics, I don't want my kids to have it wrong.
No, I understood you completely. My argument is that you can subscribe to a particular political ideology and believe it to be the best while recognizing that reasonable, intelligent people could simply disagree.
quote:Politics may be have a lot of grey area but it shouldn't be as grey as people make it out to be. Politics, like much of life, are an application of worldviews. If you have a consistent worldview, there is less grey and more black and white than there would be otherwise.
It does not make one the absolute truth and another an absolute lie. Those terms are totally black and white whereas in my opinion, politics is a grey area.
Posted on 2/12/17 at 10:16 pm to Goldrush25
quote:Like I said in another post, politics is an extension of your worldview. Not every view is "true" like the moral relativists want everyone to believe. There are truths and falsehoods in life and I want my kids to align with me on what I believe is true.
I think it's erroneous to think about politics in the terms of truths and lies. It's about differing value systems. Some of us prioritize maintaining civility and avoiding barbarism. Some us prioritize the oppressor/oppressed dynamic. Others prioritize individual freedoms. Not that everyone doesn't value or recognize all of these things, but we all prioritize them differently, sometimes at the cost of the other.
The more committed you are to your value system, the more other value systems appear to be based on "lies" or to not have any merit.
Posted on 2/12/17 at 10:18 pm to FooManChoo
There is only light. The rest is illusion. Love your kids. Relax.
I have seen terrible things done by grandmother because son married out of tribe. No contact with my uncle Al. Married a Catholic.
I have seen terrible things done by grandmother because son married out of tribe. No contact with my uncle Al. Married a Catholic.
Posted on 2/12/17 at 10:32 pm to FooManChoo
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Not every view is "true" like the moral relativists want everyone to believe.
By definition, a moral relativist believes there is no such thing as objective moral truth.
Posted on 2/12/17 at 10:35 pm to CelticDog
Chill out. Question was would I want my children to share my political viewpoint. I said "yes" and explained why.
Posted on 2/12/17 at 10:36 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:"Objective" being the key word there, and that's my point. A relativist will say something may be true or false based on your perspective or context and don't adhere to an objective standard of truth. I believe in an objective standard of truth, therefore I make judgements accordingly and would hope my children do the same.
By definition, a moral relativist believes there is no such thing as objective moral truth.
Posted on 2/12/17 at 10:41 pm to GAAtty70
The most important thing you can teach your kids is to be a thinker. Form their own opinions. Don't succumb to group think, academic pressure, peer pressure or for that matter parental pressure. Form your own beliefs based on sound logic, think it through until it resonates.
Now I freely admit that I debate with my kids. I test them in terms of how their logic holds up. But it is not a right or wrong exercise, but rather are they thinking their position through.
Now I freely admit that I debate with my kids. I test them in terms of how their logic holds up. But it is not a right or wrong exercise, but rather are they thinking their position through.
Posted on 2/12/17 at 10:48 pm to FooManChoo
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"Objective" being the key word there, and that's my point. A relativist will say something may be true or false based on your perspective or context and don't adhere to an objective standard of truth. I believe in an objective standard of truth, therefore I make judgements accordingly and would hope my children do the same.
The problem with this is it leaves no room for adaptation and growth. Once you accept something as inherent moral truth, you've granted that idea a level of authority over your existence that often makes it immutable to change. And no matter how much evidence is presented against that idea, or how obviously flawed it becomes, change is difficult and sometimes impossible for so many.
Take honor killings: I think we can say that while it may not be objectively wrong (if morality truly is relative) it is objectively opposed to optimal human happiness and minimal suffering. Yet if you believe you are morally bound to commit that act, you may do it anyway. Thus we see people killing their own families for an idea that is objectively not in the best interest of successful human society.
This post was edited on 2/12/17 at 10:49 pm
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