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Do you believe that the United States was founded as a Christian Nation?

Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:30 am
Posted by mouton
Savannah,Ga
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:30 am
Was having an interesting conversation about this with someone on Facebook. I tried to explain to her that most of the founding fathers were Deists and not Christians. She obviously did not believe me even after I provided quotes from several of the founding fathers. What are your thoughts on this?
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101465 posts
Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:32 am to
quote:

most of the founding fathers were Deists and not Christians.


Nope.

I don't know what "founded as a Christian Nation" means, though. So, I can't answer.
Posted by JohnZeroQ
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Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:33 am to
no
Posted by EthanL
Auburn,AL
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:33 am to
Christian ideals are not encompassed in the Constitution, or the by-laws of this nation. Some are based purely on Universal rights. But not Christianity
Posted by dante
Kingwood, TX
Member since Mar 2006
10669 posts
Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:33 am to
I believe this country was founded on Christian principles.
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:33 am to
Of course it was founded as a Christian nation, and that fact is as plain as the name of Jesus, which appears MANY times in our Constitution.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:34 am to
quote:

I don't know what "founded as a Christian Nation" means, though. So, I can't answer.

yeah i'm with this response

was our country founded with a super duper majority of its citizenry christian? yes

were our founding fathers christian? for the most part (it may not be a style of Christianity we recognize today, but w/e)

was our country founded in Judeo-Christian/Western thought? without a doubt
Posted by TT9
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Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:34 am to
Yes, most of our laws fall in lock step with the bible.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
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Member since May 2004
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Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:35 am to
quote:

Do you believe that the United States was founded as a Christian Nation?


DOesnt say it in the Constitution.

I don't think it says it in the Articles of Confederation either. If I'm wrong on that, let me know.

Posted by EthanL
Auburn,AL
Member since Oct 2011
6963 posts
Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:35 am to
quote:

I believe this country was founded on Christian principles.


Name some of these Christian principles. Quote a scripture, compare that to the laws if this country.

References please
Posted by Zach
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Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:35 am to
If you read the private letters of the founders as well as their speeches there are constant references to "God" and "Providence (God)". Not a lot of "Jesus Christ, my Lord and Savior."

This is also true of the letters we have from Civil War era correspondence. Centenary College was founded as a Christian School in 1825. (if you consider Methodists to be Christians); yet when class was canceled due to the Civil War the minutes of the last faculty meeting said "God Help the Right."

It did not say "Jesus Help the Right."
Posted by TK421
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:38 am to
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tried to explain to her that most of the founding fathers were Deists and not Christians


This really isn't accurate. Several of the more prominent ones were deist and that fact is mistakenly used to suggest the majority were.

But let's say for the sake of argument that you were correct, what did the founding fathers intend? I suggest they thought there was no need for an over-bearing government because the majority of citizens were God-fearing and did their best to live what they believed to be moral lives.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:38 am to
Nope.

There are some Christian values within the founding documents, but it wasn't set up as a Christian nation.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64366 posts
Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:39 am to
No.
Most who came were Christians.
So you get a country with a mostly Christian outlook.
Posted by Lg
Hayden, Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
6852 posts
Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:40 am to
"The general principles, on which the Fathers achieved independence, were the only Principles in which that beautiful Assembly of young Gentlemen could Unite, and these Principles only could be intended by them in their address, or by me in my answer. And what were these general Principles? I answer, the general Principles of Christianity, in which all these Sects were United: And the general Principles of English and American Liberty, in which all those young Men United, and which had United all Parties in America, in Majorities sufficient to assert and maintain her Independence. - John Adams
Posted by Jcorye1
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Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:41 am to
No.

There wouldn't be a Freedom of Religion.
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
36419 posts
Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:43 am to
It was not founded primarily by Christians but it was explicitly founded NOT to be a Christian state. Hence, the establishment clause. Were the values of the founding fathers Judeo-Christian as opposed to say, Eastern? Absolutely. But the fabric of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence were based on Enlightenment principles, not the Bible.
Posted by TN Bhoy
San Antonio, TX
Member since Apr 2010
60589 posts
Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:44 am to
Nope
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
36419 posts
Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:45 am to
quote:

"The general principles, on which the Fathers achieved independence, were the only Principles in which that beautiful Assembly of young Gentlemen could Unite, and these Principles only could be intended by them in their address, or by me in my answer. And what were these general Principles? I answer, the general Principles of Christianity, in which all these Sects were United: And the general Principles of English and American Liberty, in which all those young Men United, and which had United all Parties in America, in Majorities sufficient to assert and maintain her Independence.


Sorry, his offhand quote doesn't make up for the actual content of the Constitution.

Not to mention Jefferson and Franklin were clearly Deist.
This post was edited on 9/16/14 at 11:46 am
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
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Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:45 am to
Thanks. I've never read that. I'm assuming it's a letter written his old age since he refers to 'fathers' as if he were not one of the founders.
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