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re: Do you believe that the United States was founded as a Christian Nation?
Posted on 9/16/14 at 1:00 pm to Meauxjeaux
Posted on 9/16/14 at 1:00 pm to Meauxjeaux
Seriously, thank you for posting all of the quotes. 
The "deist" talking points were created for a reason.
The "deist" talking points were created for a reason.
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Posted on 9/16/14 at 1:03 pm to BestBanker
That's not even half of them, either...
Posted on 9/16/14 at 1:05 pm to cwill
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They started a secular nation without an established religion and specifically allowed for religious freedom. They knew what religion and religious intolerance had done to Europe and specifically their mother nation England.
I agree, with some explication of "secular" as you use it. They did not intend for government to have no religious connection, nor did they intend for government to be anti-religious or a-religious. They merely expected that government would not support a religion. And by support I don't mean have a statue of Jesus or a copy of the Ten Commandments somewhere in the vicinity of a government office.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 1:05 pm to Meauxjeaux
Yeah I wrote my post before I saw yours. You only quoted the tip of the iceberg too. The hippie commies lose. This thread is over.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 1:06 pm to mouton
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Was having an interesting conversation about this with someone on Facebook. I tried to explain to her that most of the founding fathers were Deists and not Christians. She obviously did not believe me even after I provided quotes from several of the founding fathers. What are your thoughts on this?
My thoughts are you, like most people nowadays, were taught a revised and false history made up by progressives to further their political agenda. Sadly, you have no idea what the founding principles of our country truly were. Whats worse is you're far from alone and in fact are now the majority.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 1:06 pm to mouton
We were founded as a free nation with liberties under law brought by the people.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 1:07 pm to Meauxjeaux
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I got more....
post away, all that verbiage and it still is rendered meaningless by this: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion."
Posted on 9/16/14 at 1:08 pm to BestBanker
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The "deist" talking points were created for a reason.
The Deist argument is overblown for sure.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 1:08 pm to REG861
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion."
Do you find it the least bit troublesome that the people who actually wrote those words don't interpret them in any way close to the way in which you do?
Posted on 9/16/14 at 1:08 pm to mouton
quote:no
Do you believe that the United States was founded as a Christian Nation?
Posted on 9/16/14 at 1:09 pm to skinny domino
Solid late entry.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 1:09 pm to the808bass
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Do you find it the least bit troublesome that the people who actually wrote those words don't interpret them in any way close to the way in which you do?
Oh, so they WANTED state-sponsored religion then? Damn, you'd think they would have clarified that in the very first one of the bill of rights, but they chose not to. In fact, they stated the exact opposite of that.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 1:09 pm to theunknownknight
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Yeah I wrote my post before I saw yours. You only quoted the tip of the iceberg too. The hippie commies lose. This thread is over.
The fact that the Christian founders of this country were mature enough to self-impose structure that would assure that ALL religions could be practiced freely is probably the most astounding man-made achievement in the history of civilization.
It's truly stunning and a sincere testament to the religion they fell upon for the foundation of their core beliefs.
People would do well to consider that.
I do, over red wine and fine cigars.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 1:11 pm to REG861
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post away, all that verbiage and it still is rendered meaningless by this: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion."
See above.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 1:11 pm to Meauxjeaux
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The fact that the Christian founders of this country were mature enough to self-impose structure that would assure that ALL religions could be practiced freely is probably the most astounding man-made achievement in the history of civilization
Pretty well said.
I'm certainly not arguing that the vast majority of our founders were Christian to some degree.Posted on 9/16/14 at 1:11 pm to REG861
All they meant is that Congress could not pass a law that tells you your now a Baptist, or Lutheran, or whatever. That's it, nothing more. And it certainly was never intended to prevent children from praying in school or having a copy of the 10 commandments in a court room. It was never intended to be what progressives have warped it into today.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 1:13 pm to Darth_Vader
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All they meant is that Congress could not pass a law that tells you your now a Baptist, or Lutheran, or whatever. That's it, nothing more. And it certainly was never intended to prevent children from praying in school or having a copy of the 10 commandments in a court room. It was never intended to be what progressives have warped it into today.
Spot on!!
Posted on 9/16/14 at 1:15 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:This cannot be said enough.
All they meant is that Congress could not pass a law that tells you your now a Baptist, or Lutheran, or whatever. That's it, nothing more. And it certainly was never intended to prevent children from praying in school or having a copy of the 10 commandments in a court room.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 1:17 pm to Lg
I wonder if I can find quotes too...
Need I go on?
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United States Treaty (1796-1797)
"[T]he government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;"
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John Adams (1735-1826)
"Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind."
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John Adams (1735-1826)
"The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses."
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James Madison (1751-1836)
"It was the Universal opinion of the Century preceding the last, that Civil Govt. could not stand without the prop of a Religious establishment; & that the Xn. [Christian] religion itself, would perish if not supported by the legal provision for its Clergy. The experience of Virginia conspiciously corroboates the disproof of both opinions. The Civil Govt. tho' bereft of everything like an associatd hierarchy possesses the requisite stability and performs its functions with complete success; Whilst the number, the industry, and the morality of the Priesthood, & the devotion of the people have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the Church from the State."
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James Madison (1751-1836)
"And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together."
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James Madison (1751-1836)
"[T]he appropriation of funds of the United States for the use and support of religious societies, [is] contrary to the article of the Constitution which declares that ‘Congress shall make no law respecting a religious establishment.’"
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Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826)
"I contemplate with soveriegn reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between church and State."
Need I go on?
Posted on 9/16/14 at 1:18 pm to Darth_Vader
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All they meant is that Congress could not pass a law that tells you your now a Baptist, or Lutheran, or whatever. That's it, nothing more. And it certainly was never intended to prevent children from praying in school or having a copy of the 10 commandments in a court room. It was never intended to be what progressives have warped it into today.
False.
quote:
James Madison
"[T]he appropriation of funds of the United States for the use and support of religious societies, [is] contrary to the article of the Constitution which declares that ‘Congress shall make no law respecting a religious establishment.’"
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Thomas Jefferson
"I contemplate with soveriegn reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between church and State."
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