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re: Dawkins: "immoral to bring [Down's Syndrome baby] into the world"
Posted on 8/22/14 at 6:46 am to CollegeFBRules
Posted on 8/22/14 at 6:46 am to CollegeFBRules
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All I can offer to this thread is the irony that I am an atheist and have an amazing, beautiful daughter with Downs that I cherish and who teaches me peace and love and happiness in quantities I can never repay her.
I'm not really sure this is so much an atheist v. believer issue.
I know many Christians you would never know are Christians unless they told you so, and I know atheists who you would swear are Christians.
It simply has to do with one simple concept/belief: do you believe human life is sacred and should be protected? If so, then it doesn't matter what form/condition that life takes.
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Posted on 8/22/14 at 8:58 am to mtntiger
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It simply has to do with one simple concept/belief: do you believe human life is sacred and should be protected? If so, then it doesn't matter what form/condition that life takes.
I'm actually of the belief that being an atheist makes human life more precious and sacred, not less, due to there not being an afterlife.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 9:16 am to CollegeFBRules
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I'm actually of the belief that being an atheist makes human life more precious and sacred, not less, due to there not being an afterlife.
I disagree completely. As a poor example, consider gold that has been mined and then shaped into a piece of jewelry. Before and after the transformation, the gold has the same intrinsic value, but the formation by a creator adds substantial extrinsic value. In a similar way, our lives being developed by chance through the process of natural selection have value, but it does not compare to the value of life that could have been crafted by a loving God. To Christians, life is a gift from the most powerful force in the universe, and that is of great value.
That being said, I appreciate your contribution to this thread. There is a member of my extended family with DS as well as several acquaintances through church. To say their life has no value, or that they suffer too much in life to be born is asinine.
It appears most atheist in this thread agree and rightfully label Dawkins as being an a-hole on this subject. Maybe in light of this, the downright blissful worship of his "logic" will be challenged by some of his devotees.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 9:30 am to TK421
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In a similar way, our lives being developed by chance through the process of natural selection have value, but it does not compare to the value of life that could have been crafted by a loving God. To Christians, life is a gift from the most powerful force in the universe, and that is of great value.
There is literally no difference if you take God out of the equation and realize you are still a creation of the most powerful force / forces in the universe. It is still humbling and awe-inspiring.
We can respectfully disagree, but I believe with all my heart life is more precious due to no afterlife.
Regardless, Dawkins missed on this one bad.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 9:38 am to Darth_Vader
quote:I don't see this as an indictment of atheism. Dawkins is an arrogant prick. But his douchiness and faux intellectualism is no more indicative of atheism than Westboro represents the actions and beliefs of all Christians.
Dawkins is proof that when you take God out of the equation of the bedrock foundation of our moral code and instead decide right & wrong bassed on the ever-shifting whims of men, there is no limit to the evil and depravity to which society can fall.
In reality, the bombastic ones get all of the attention. Which is why they are bombastic to begin with. It's kinda sad.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 10:03 am to mtntiger
quote:Indeed.
I know many Christians you would never know are Christians unless they told you so, and I know atheists who you would swear are Christians.
As an aside, I have far less respect for Dawkins' intellectual prowess than most here. Not because he isn't bright, but because of his use of the capacity. His atheistic proselytizing creates a loud voice in the arena. It drowns out more reasonable points of view. So he is taken to represent a forefront of "atheistic thought".
The squeaky wheel gets the oil. Dawkins bathes in that oil.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 10:19 am to NC_Tigah
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His atheistic proselytizing creates a loud voice in the arena. It drowns out more reasonable points of view. So he is taken to represent a forefront of "atheistic thought".
Agreed, though I like how you quoted atheistic thought.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 10:38 am to CollegeFBRules
quote:Quoted as representative of thesis, not thinking.
I like how you quoted atheistic thought.
e.g., IMO, there is no comparison in that regard between Dawkins and Chris Hitchens
Posted on 8/22/14 at 10:42 am to CollegeFBRules
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There is literally no difference if you take God out of the equation and realize you are still a creation of the most powerful force / forces in the universe. It is still humbling and awe-inspiring.
There is no difference because God is the most powerful force / forces in the Universe. Some people get hung up on God being a white haired dude in a white robe.
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