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re: Dawkins: "immoral to bring [Down's Syndrome baby] into the world"

Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:13 am to
Posted by AUin02
Member since Jan 2012
4281 posts
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:13 am to
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I guess someone like him would have dumped Stephen Hawking in a trash can


Hawking wasn't diagnosed until he was 21 so unless you're making some genetic marker argument regarding abortions I don't see the point of this comment.

Dawkins is intelligent but he is way out of his depth with his statement. A fricking eugenicist in atheist's clothing.
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
33109 posts
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:15 am to
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I said I would never have an abortion. NEVER

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But if someone told me right now I was going to be reborn with DS, I would want to be aborted for my sake and my families sake.


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Can you freaking read???

Yes.

You are inconsistent. It's because you're trying to be all things to all people.
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:15 am to
Can it suffer? Life is suffering. Every bit of stimulus that tells you that you are hungry is suffering. Feeling hot or cold is suffering. I just suppose we should kill every living thing to prevent all suffering.
This post was edited on 8/21/14 at 11:17 am
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95013 posts
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:15 am to
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What makes you think the people in this thread don't know anything about the "burden" of raising a special needs child?
By the quickness in which they judge. We have mentored many expecting parents making the decision between abortion and raising the child. Obviously we do everything in out power to convince them to not abort. But it isnt as simple as sitting in an ivory tower and calling them "selfish".

In the parents head the first thought is feeling sorry for themselves. And this is normal. Their lives will be forever changed. It is not easy to know some of the dreams and wants you had dissapear in an instant through no fault of your own. Easy to say selfish when you dont go through it.

That is my only point. I am against the abortion, but am not going to right of someone who choses to do so with just a swift thought of "selfish". And im sure your Jesus wouldnt either

Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95013 posts
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:17 am to
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Yes.

You are inconsistent. It's because you're trying to be all things to all people.
Read my last post. I am against it, but try and not judge others who may chose it. If that makes me inconsistent then I am proud of it
Posted by Rickety Cricket
Premium Member
Member since Aug 2007
46883 posts
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:17 am to
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Incorrect. Being an atheist allows him to have such opinions without worrying about inconsistency of belief.

No it doesn't. Your prejudice against atheists leads you to blame this wholly unrelated opinion to his lack of belief in a god.
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
33109 posts
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:18 am to
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Regardless, I fail to see how him "being an atheist" allows him to not have to worry about inconsistency of belief. Could you explain more what you mean? That seems like a pretty generalized critique.


I can tell you why a Christian cannot hold this belief and still reasonably call himself Christian.

Can you tell me why an atheist cannot hold this belief and still reasonably call himself an atheist?

Refer to the Brothers Karamazov quote on page 1.

Rickety Cricket:
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Your prejudice against atheists leads you to blame this wholly unrelated opinion to his lack of belief in a god

Say what?
This post was edited on 8/21/14 at 11:20 am
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:18 am to
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And im sure your Jesus wouldnt either


my Jesus wouldn't want someone to kill their baby because they think it may be a burden
Posted by son of arlo
State of Innocence
Member since Sep 2013
4577 posts
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:21 am to
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You are correct. And Gene Stallings would tell you right now that John Mark made his life richer than being a burden for him.


Gene Stallings punched the Dr who told him his son was mongoloid. Also Stallings told of a time when some reported asked Mark who was the greatest coach at Alabama and he replied, "Nick Saban." It's just another anecdotal tale about how rural backwater hillbilly rednecks were immune to proper life concepts given to us by our betters.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95013 posts
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:21 am to
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my Jesus wouldn't want someone to kill their baby because they think it may be a burden
Of course he wouldnt. But would he be so quick to Judge and call them out with no experience of his own? It has been awhile since I went to church, but I dont think thats what he taught
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123869 posts
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:21 am to
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Your prejudice against atheists leads you to blame this wholly unrelated opinion to his lack of belief in a god.
No. No more than the opinions of ISIL are unrelated to Islam. They are extreme, but related.
Posted by TK421
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2011
10411 posts
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:21 am to
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By the quickness in which they judge.


The quickness of judgment, as you say, could very well be attributed to life experience in this situation.

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Easy to say selfish when you dont go through it.


And again you make baseless assumptions.

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And im sure your Jesus wouldnt either



I see as well as yourself being a judgmental a-hole, you have no idea what Jesus preached. He would absolutely chastise them as being selfish.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
57900 posts
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:22 am to
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And im sure your Jesus wouldnt either



Jesus said that if a person harms a little one, it would be better for that person to have a giant millstone around his neck and fling himself into the sea.
What you said is a giant fail!
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95013 posts
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:22 am to
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I see as well as yourself being a judgmental a-hole, you have no idea what Jesus preached. He would absolutely chastise them as being selfish.
Well, he sounds like a bully then
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:23 am to
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But would he be so quick to Judge and call them out with no experience of his own?


yes....because i'm pretty sure he was against murder


Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95013 posts
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:23 am to
Ok sweet. I may go back to church just so I can start hating on people again. Sounds fun
Posted by mattloc
Alabama
Member since Sep 2012
4308 posts
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:25 am to
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It's just another anecdotal tale about how rural backwater hillbilly rednecks were immune to proper life concepts given to us by our betters.


This statement belies a harsh and cruel view of the world bordering on inhuman, you have my sympathy

This post was edited on 8/21/14 at 11:34 am
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95013 posts
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:25 am to
I mean are yall seeing this thread? I am getting attacked by chistians for choosing "not to judge people" Classic
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:25 am to
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I may go back to church just so I can start hating on people again.


sorry if it upsets you that some people disagree with baby murder.
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
Member since Dec 2012
10590 posts
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:25 am to
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Can it suffer?

Yea I thought that was a particularly weak point. I can kill people everyday without them suffering a lick, does that make it morally acceptable?
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