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re: "Conservatives" agree to new entitlement program costing hundreds of millions per year
Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:23 pm to LSUFanHouston
Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:23 pm to LSUFanHouston
I don’t understand why people are opposed to school choice.
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Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:24 pm to LSUGrrrl
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I don’t understand why people are opposed to school choice.
True believers in public education. They dont understand competition.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:26 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Some, yes. Like they once did. Suspend/expel unruly kids, and by 10th grade put many in vocational training instead of high school.
They do that now.
But they could expel or non-renew kids without a competitive IQ.
That would help the average scores compete with private schools who use aptitude tests pre-enrollment.
The goal is competitive public schools. We need to be creative and do something that they currently don't do.
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Public schools are little more than job creators in many places, with "butts in seat" far more important than a competent classroom.
Butts in seats is the ideology of the student that would rather daydream.
We need to find a better way to weed those kids out. Otherwise the test scores will not compete with private schools whose families have vested $10000s per year with an extra incentive to make sure the students aren't daydreaming.
Or... removing the financial expense from private schools would permit the laissez Faire parents to send their kids to private schools.
And make those schools less competitive thus improving the look of public schools.
We can figure this out.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:28 pm to meansonny
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They do that now.
I taught, the administration finds it easier to move teachers than expel or suspend students.
Many schools have become unimageable, because the public model is built to bring in funding, not teach kids.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:29 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I don’t understand why people are opposed to school choice.
True believers in public education. They dont understand competition.
I want public schools to compete.
Eliminating low IQ and handicapped students is the fastest way to significantly increase the public school testing.
We could also charge $10,000 per student per year and that would motivate parents to be more involved to ensure that they are getting their money's worth. Lack of parent involvement is an issue at public schools.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:30 pm to meansonny
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We can figure this out.
I like where this is going.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:31 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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They do that now.
I taught, the administration finds it easier to move teachers than expel or suspend students.
Many schools have become unimageable, because the public model is built to bring in funding, not teach kids.
5% of the kids create 80% of the headaches.
3 strikes and you are out is the policy in our county.
And the teachers absolutely appreciate that policy. They are empowered to teach and not discipline. The admin is doing their job.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:31 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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public model is built to bring in funding, not teach kids.
What country do you live in? Where have you been for the last 25 years?
Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:34 pm to 4cubbies
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What country do you live in? Where have you been for the last 25 years?
One where I got involved in funding issues and realized its all less about education than appearance and data.
Skills are dropping, yet funding has risen through the roof. We are rewarding the wrong industry.
This post was edited on 4/9/24 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:34 pm to 4cubbies
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public model is built to bring in funding, not teach kids.
What country do you live in? Where have you been for the last 25 years?
He isn't wrong.
The public model does bring in money per student.
But to imply that private school education is any different is laughable.
They literally charge a per student tuition (which is higher than the public funding per child by the way).
Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:36 pm to meansonny
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But to imply that private school education is any different is laughable.
I didnt. I said the public model needed competition.
Competition weeds out the issues.
This post was edited on 4/9/24 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:38 pm to meansonny
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He isn't wrong. The public model does bring in money per student.
Correct but there is an incentive to educate the students. It’s why state testing exists. “Accountability”
Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:39 pm to 4cubbies
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Correct but there is an incentive to educate the students
Not really, and public unions constantly fight against any merit based changes.
There is incentive to move kids through grades, not educate them
This post was edited on 4/9/24 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:43 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I didnt. I said the public model needed competition.
Correct. Public schools should add
an aptitude test, physical and mental requirements because specialized education for moderate to significant disabilities is just a stupid, inefficient way to run a competitive school.
Tuition requirements for parents of public school can definitely get more skin in the game for parents.
Once we eliminate the problem students, we will be able to lower teacher salaries. Private school teachers voluntarily make less than public schools to avoid those headaches.
We are getting closer.
Free tuition for private schools with vouchers to let the poor single parent families in.
Remove aptitude testing for enrollment at private schools. Maybe more of a DEI system?
And they can take on some of the simpler disabilities going forward (severe ADHD, dyslexia, asbergers).
This post was edited on 4/9/24 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:48 pm to 4cubbies
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He isn't wrong. The public model does bring in money per student.
Correct but there is an incentive to educate the students. It’s why state testing exists. “Accountability”
Yeah. But then you can just accuse the faculty of "teaching the test".
The goal in public education is graduation. Even for the 5% of students expelled.
The goal in private school education is college. But it sure is a lot easier to reach for that goal when you eliminate 100% of the student body who is only interested in graduating.
And eliminate the student body incapable of graduating because of mental handicaps. Those handicap students affect graduation rates for public schools. They don't seem to have any effect on private schools for some reason.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:54 pm to 4cubbies
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I anticipate the cost of private schools will increase by the average “scholarship” amount by the second year.
Doesn't make a bit of difference.
Government run services provide the quality of 3rd world countries and Americans do not want to hand their children over to the perversion syndicate.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:58 pm to meansonny
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They don't seem to have any effect on private schools for some reason.
It’s baffling, isn’t it?
Posted on 4/9/24 at 2:00 pm to LSUbest
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Government run services provide the quality of 3rd world countries
Like… NASA? The military?
Or are you complaining about the services in the community you choose to live in?
Posted on 4/9/24 at 2:01 pm to LSUbest
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Doesn't make a bit of difference.
You haven't paid attention to university tuitions with federally subsidized student loans.
He was exactly correct.
The funny things about schools is that they have capacity.
Giving more money to parents who already send their students to private schools does not change the capacity of the private schools.
Consequently due to capacity, it doesn't create a more competitive environment versus public schools (unless you are arguing for a merit based entrance to private schools... which eliminates 100% of the purpose for public funding because the public school system and taxes that support the public school system are designed to support every student no matter the burden that they place on the school system).
If the private schools do not accommodate "every " student, then they are not realizing why the government is taxing the citizenry in the first place.
And maybe private schools should be for the privileged kids (and families) who can afford the tuition. And maybe private schools should not be eligible for public tax dollars if they cannot meet the state constitutional burden for which those taxes were levied in the first place.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 2:04 pm to 4cubbies
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Like… NASA? The military?
Run without many budget constraints.
The epitome of inefficiency.
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