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Posted on 6/9/14 at 2:51 pm to TN Bhoy
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That doesn't excuse the rapist's actions.
Not a single person has "excused" a rapist in any post in this thread.
The silliness is in the creating of the hypothetical scenario of a dude purposely getting the girl drunk (outside of her ability to figure out and cope) and then having sex as some nefarious and pervasive "culture" that is being ignored by us non-rapey men.
It is goofy.
There are BAD people.
There are white collar thieves and thug robbers. There are murderers, arsonists, swindlers, cheats, pick-pockets, shoplifters, and vandals.
Why are we pointing to one "crime"...inventing scenarios under which it SOMETIMES occurs...and then lamenting this "culture"?
Posted on 6/9/14 at 2:52 pm to schexyoung
quote:Sandra Fluke says it is.
Is it crazy to expect a girl to look out for herself?
Posted on 6/9/14 at 2:53 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
quote:
Why are we pointing to one "crime"...inventing scenarios under which it SOMETIMES occurs...and then lamenting this "culture"?
I'm still waiting for Hawkeye or someone else to describe this culture....Nobody has done so yet, except to point to people CHOOSING to drink of their own volition.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 2:53 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
quote:
The silliness is in the creating of the hypothetical scenario of a dude purposely getting the girl drunk (outside of her ability to figure out and cope) and then having sex as some nefarious and pervasive "culture" that is being ignored by us non-rapey men.
This.
And
quote:
Why are we pointing to one "crime"...inventing scenarios under which it SOMETIMES occurs...and then lamenting this "culture"?
This
Posted on 6/9/14 at 2:54 pm to The Spleen
quote:
so they were asking for it
Geez, you must be worthless.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 2:56 pm to CptBengal
quote:
WAT?
Since you seemed to jump in late to my comments, here is the string of comments in which I initially responded to.
quote:
No but you can still get someone drunk pretty easily. Make them very strong vodka drinks with a sugary base, very hard to taste the alcohol and thus the person gets drunk quickly.
For your argument to have any validity, the man would have be actively participate in the actual making of the drink
The point was there are numerous examples of men actively participating in the actual making of highly alcoholic and sugary drinks. I agreed with your point that women know the drink is highly alcoholic(though I would guess some of the naive freshmen girls aren't as aware) and still choose to drink it. I'm not arguing there is a rape culture because I'm not really sure what that actually is. I was just providing an example where highly alcoholic beverages are provided to girls in the hopes of it lowering their inhibitions enough to where the men get laid. You seem to be arguing that their choosing to drink the beverages gives the men a green light to do to the women as they please. I thought my point was pretty crystal clear. Sorry you missed it.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 2:57 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
quote:
Why are we pointing to one "crime"...inventing scenarios under which it SOMETIMES occurs...and then lamenting this "culture"?
Because it boils down complex issues into cutesy, emotionally-laden talking points used by open-minded, protectors of humanity, liberal progressives to feel good about themselves as they take up a media-concocted cause to rally around.
See: gun control
ETA: BTW I know your question was rhetorical
This post was edited on 6/9/14 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 6/9/14 at 2:57 pm to The Spleen
quote:
there are numerous examples of men actively participating in the actual making of highly alcoholic and sugary drinks
and women make those drinks too...so what?
quote:
You seem to be arguing that their choosing to drink the beverages gives the men a green light to do to the women as they please.
that wasnt my argument at all. It's apparent that you have zero command of the English language at this point in the discussion.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 3:03 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
I first heard this phrase in 1994.
Movie: PCU
Line from Womynist
"Pack up your rape culture and take a hike"
Movie: PCU
Line from Womynist
"Pack up your rape culture and take a hike"
Posted on 6/9/14 at 3:04 pm to The Third Leg
quote:
"Pack up your rape culture and take a hike"
"This penis party's got to go, Hey Hey, Ho Ho"
Posted on 6/9/14 at 3:05 pm to The Spleen
quote:and what are you arguing?
You seem to be arguing that their choosing to drink the beverages gives the men a green light to do to the women as they please.
Should a man be able to scream rape after a coyote date?
Posted on 6/9/14 at 3:07 pm to The Third Leg
I just want to point out that Mad Men, a show about set in 1960's office environment where women were nothing more than man's play things masquerading as secretaries is the one of the most popular shows on TV, and it's main character, Don Draper, a womanizing a-hole, is one of the most desired characters by women across the US.
My point, women are full of shite. They want to be objectified and used for sex.
My point, women are full of shite. They want to be objectified and used for sex.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 3:09 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Should a man be able to scream rape after a coyote date?
What's a "coyote date"?
Posted on 6/9/14 at 3:10 pm to Vols&Shaft83
Yeah, cock-man-oppressor!
Posted on 6/9/14 at 3:16 pm to PuntBamaPunt
All this rape talk is making me tired.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 3:21 pm to PuntBamaPunt
Posted on 6/9/14 at 3:43 pm to schexyoung
quote:
schexyoung
Can we talk about "Rape Culture?"
Is it sexist to believe she can't be trusted to monitor her own consumption and be held accountable for her actions?
Anybody?
If we are all indeed equal in every way, why does only one sex hold the accountability? Is is crazy to expect a girl to look out for herself?
rape is about girls who fail to look out for themselves? ...
Posted on 6/9/14 at 3:48 pm to tiderider
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rape is about girls who fail to look out for themselves?
It can certainly be a part of the story. "Oh, this wonderful frat boy calls me 'bitch' and 'ho' while watching degrading porn movies and pours me drinks without telling what's in them. But he has a good heart, I'm perfectly safe going up to his room to talk about our dreams without any chance of physical contact"
Posted on 6/9/14 at 4:27 pm to tiderider
quote:
ape is about girls who fail to look out for themselves? ...
Do you not see a difference between a woman walking down a public street, getting kidnapped and raped vs. a woman choosing to attend a party at frat house, choosing to drink whatever someone hands her, etc.
If anyone chooses to alter their mental awareness, they are accountable for the mistakes they made during their lapse in mental awareness (aka passing out arse up on a couch full of horny drunk college men). Is it rape? Up to the jury, but it's also a situation easily avoidable unlike the former example of strolling a public street.
Simple guide
1 - Don't go anywhere you may feel threatened and may be alone (frat-house).
2 - If #1 occurs, don't alert your mental state and ability to interpret your environment by drinking anything you don't pour yourself or you don't watch someone pour (house punch).
This post was edited on 6/9/14 at 4:30 pm
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