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re: Bush slow to go to New Orleans---Obama slow to go to the border
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:15 pm to Vegas Bengal
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:15 pm to Vegas Bengal
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But hey, you criticize Bush all the time!
Bush was absolutely wrong on Katrina. He should have IMMEDIATELY declared martial law when he realized he was not dealing with competent officals like Pataki/Giuliani and was actually dealing with 2 clueless idiots like Blanco/Nagin.
Then Honore would have been in charge on Monday, at the latest. We would have still been behind the curve (it would have been to late to avoid the stupid decision), but at least there wouldn't have been the bull$hit political blame/face-saving game they were playing while we were trying to save people, and the federal response would have been about 24 to 48 hours ahead of what happened.
So, Bush was wrong by not declaring martial law when it very clearly should have been declared - and it was all politics - on everyone's part.
This post was edited on 7/2/14 at 12:16 pm
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Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:16 pm to Ace Midnight
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Ace Midnight
Actual factual information is always nice in these discussions.
Good post.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:16 pm to Vegas Bengal
Benghazi was a war act which the President is directly in charge off. Local flooding is just that, local with several layers of government paid to handle the siutation. Apples and figs.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:17 pm to Choctaw
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so do you think Obama should do anything about all these kids coming across the border? should we send them back to Mexico?
What can he do? I guess either send them back or take them in.
Either way the biggest thing is that we got to fix the problem and not cure the symptoms. No use bucketing water out a sinking boat.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:19 pm to Jbird
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I was on the second heavy to land at Louis Armstrong International after Katrina, we flew 85 missions from our base. I have never seen so many helicopters in my life. Navy New Orleans was flat out insane.
Thank you for helping the city
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:19 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:
martial law
Can you imagine the backlash he would have faced if he had declared martial law against a democrat Governor?
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:20 pm to petar
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Either way the biggest thing is that we got to fix the problem and not cure the symptoms
1. build a fence
2. build National Guard depots along border
3. first 6 months of service after Boot Camp is along border
4. win
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:20 pm to pond water
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Local flooding is just that, local with
I don't think 1833 deaths is just considered "local flooding"
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:23 pm to Ace Midnight
one last thing on Katrina
On August 27, Blanco said this to the media, "I believe we are prepared. That's the one thing that I've always been able to brag about."
Bush's main frick up was that he believed her.
but i bet VB is one of those idiots that gets pissed because Bush didn't run out of the room full of children screaming when the towers were hit.
On August 27, Blanco said this to the media, "I believe we are prepared. That's the one thing that I've always been able to brag about."
Bush's main frick up was that he believed her.
but i bet VB is one of those idiots that gets pissed because Bush didn't run out of the room full of children screaming when the towers were hit.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:24 pm to Vegas Bengal
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Vegas Bengal
Great revisionist timeline. Bush is Satan.
And prior to that, what did the state and local authorities do to plan, prepare and mitigate (the fundamentals of NIMS)?
The answer? Nothing. Absolutely, positively nothing.
President Bush failed to direct the efforts after onset of crisis. He failed. Period.
Mayor Nagin and Governor Blanco failed to plan, prepare and mitigate prior to the storm, creating the crisis.
Try that on for size.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:26 pm to petar
quote:Best thing I ever was a part of.
Thank you for helping the city
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:39 pm to Wolfhound45
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Great revisionist timeline.
Show me where it's wrong.
You made the accusation. Show me where I'm wrong.
quote:That's the closest you've come to criticizing Bush.
Bush is Satan.
quote:
And prior to that, what did the state and local authorities do to plan, prepare and mitigate (the fundamentals of NIMS)?
The answer? Nothing. Absolutely, positively nothing.
You're lying. Ace Midnight can back me up. I was dating a Guardsman then. He was stationed at the Superdome. He was called up a few days before Katrina by Blanco. The helicopters Ace posted about were Blanco's doing.
quote:FINALLY!
President Bush failed to direct the efforts after onset of crisis. He failed. Period.
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Mayor Nagin and Governor Blanco failed to plan, prepare and mitigate prior to the storm, creating the crisis.
Tell me, what could they have done that wasn't done. List what they could have done.
I lived in the Quarter at the time. I left late. Took me 12 hours to get to Lafayette. My next door neighbor, an old gentleman stayed. Guardsman made him leave at gunpoint a few days later. Short of doing this before the storm, I fail to see what else could have been done.
quote:Fail.
Try that on for size.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:40 pm to Ace Midnight
Who were the idiots that turned the boat brigade back at LaPlace? I met up with the group in Baton Rouge only to be stopped at LaPlace and turned around. We were armed and equiped to conduct water evacs on volunteer basis. This was an overwhelming response to the LDWF plea for boat owners to come help evac stranded NOLA citizens only to be rejected.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:47 pm to Choctaw
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On August 27, Blanco said this to the media, "I believe we are prepared. That's the one thing that I've always been able to brag about."
Bush's main frick up was that he believed her.
And 5 days after Bush told the media his FEMA director was doin a heckava job.
quote:
but i bet VB is one of those idiots that gets pissed because Bush didn't run out of the room full of children screaming when the towers were hit.
When your chief of staff whispers to the president "America is under attack", I don't expect him to "run out of the room full of children screaming when the towers were hit". I expect him to excuse himself rather than sitting there listening to "My Pet Goat".
And btw, the first tower had been hit already before Bush walked into that room. It was the second tower that got hit when he was advised that we were under attack. And he sat there.
Now you Bushbots say he didn't want to scare the children. Yet he spoke in front of the children an hour later using them as props.
But conservatives criticize Bush.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:47 pm to Stogie
If local gov had done their job ahead of time there could have been a lot fewer deaths. That picture of the flooded school busess tells a lot... or little, about local gov prep.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:49 pm to pond water
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If local gov had done their job ahead of time there could have been a lot fewer deaths.
of course.
But once it had happened, the federal government along with the local and state governments all could have done a lot better which would have led to fewer deaths.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:49 pm to pond water
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That picture of the flooded school busess tells a lot...
No, it pretty much tells jack shite. One of the biggest media red herrings of all time.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:50 pm to Vegas Bengal
I would vote for Bush again today over just about any democrat I can think of.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:52 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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I would vote for Bush again today over just about any democrat I can think of.
Speaking of which. People like old presidents. I think if Bush is in the next election he might actually win. I think if Obama is in the next election he might actually win. I think if Bill was in the last election he would definitely win
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:52 pm to pond water
quote:You mean when Bush was told the country was under attack?
Benghazi was a war act which the President is directly in charge off.
quote:
Local flooding is just that, local with several layers of government paid to handle the siutation.
But 4 people were killed in Benghazi!
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