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re: Bush slow to go to New Orleans---Obama slow to go to the border
Posted on 7/2/14 at 11:57 am to Colonel Flagg
Posted on 7/2/14 at 11:57 am to Colonel Flagg
Y'all have let vegas et al. derail this thread with all the focus on Bush, which is their goal. The discussion should return to Obama and the current humanitarian crisis at our border.
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Posted on 7/2/14 at 11:59 am to lsu13lsu
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So the only the Bush could have done was take the entire thing over himself?
no i have not said this once.
All i know is that Bush personally handled Katrina alot differently than 9/11. I know they are different types of disasters. But Bush taking a hands on approach like 9/11 could have made worlds of differences alone.
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Who better to react than local government?
the federal gov't who has the resources to properly handle the situation who handles the situation in Sandy and all other hurricane disasters.
Of course the local government sucked it up but to say Bush was free of mistakes is wildly dumb and politically biased.
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Nagan was busy figuring out how to profit personally
as Y.A. said nagan did nothing corrupt in this point otherwise it would have been raised in his corruption trial
Posted on 7/2/14 at 11:59 am to PsychTiger
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Y'all have let vegas et al. derail this thread with all the focus on Bush, which is their goal. The discussion should return to Obama and the current humanitarian crisis at our border.
Yes, Vegas = Winning, in this regard only.
I plead guilty for my contribution to it.
This post was edited on 7/2/14 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:00 pm to PsychTiger
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The discussion should return to Obama and the current humanitarian crisis at our border.
i agree with what one poster said earlier....start flying them to Mexico City and tell the Mexican Pres. "we can't take care of all your children...prepare for more planes".
This post was edited on 7/2/14 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:00 pm to I B Freeman
The difference is Bush didn't cause the hurricane but Obama has caused the border invasion with all his dreamer bullshite.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:01 pm to petar
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All i know is that Bush personally handled Katrina alot differently than 9/11.
9/11 was an act of war. the President didn't need authorization from the governor of New York
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:02 pm to ragincajun03
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It is important to note, though, that the Obama Administration took careful notes of the Bush Administration's screw-ups in response to Katrina.
yea of course. And i think Federal Gov't is going to take more concern dealing with a problem in new york rather than louisiana. and that is one reason i think the katrina response was lacking.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:03 pm to petar
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yea of course. And i think Federal Gov't is going to take more concern dealing with a problem in new york rather than louisiana. and that is one reason i think the katrina response was lacking.
stop comparing the two...they're not close to the same.
and how about getting back on topic. we're discussing the crisis at the border
This post was edited on 7/2/14 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:03 pm to Colonel Flagg
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partly because they didn't want to spend the money.
Well if the Stafford act was waived as it should have been and as it was in hurricane andrew and in 9/11, this wouldn't have been an issue.
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So I accept no bs excuses from our LA politicians regarding the issue
I don't either nor do i accept excuses from the feds either
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:05 pm to Choctaw
Once again, a president does not need a governor to federalize troops
I don't think Wallace gave permission to have his arse thrown off those steps.
I don't think Wallace gave permission to have his arse thrown off those steps.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:06 pm to Vegas Bengal
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Vegas Bengal
Living in the past.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:06 pm to Vegas Bengal
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9:30 Sunday Nagin issues first ever mandatory evacuation.
The eye of the storm was less than 12 hours away. The interstates were already jammed.
(Ask me how I know.)
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That afternoon, Bush warned by the National Hurricane Center of possible breach in the levees.
You mean Sunday afternoon, August 28th? We never confirmed any levee breaches before the wee morning hours of August 29th.
(Ask me how I know.)
The fact is that everyone responsible was caught flat-footed by a failure to contemplate the scope of a storm causing the levee failures. Bush/Brown/FEMA, Blanco/Landreneau/GOSEP/LANG, and Nagin/NOPD/NOFD, etc., we were all overwhelmed by the scope of the problem - this was exacerbated by a particularly stupid decision by Blanco and Landreneau which put us behind 24 to 36 hours - a decision I can personally guarantee you Bush had nothing to do with.
During the initial hours, our best performers were federal - USCG. By Wednesday, Honore was given access, if necessary, to every rotary wing aircraft in the federal inventory.
We were all reactive. I don't think Bush should have been expected to drop everything and come take personal charge of relief efforts. FEMA had tons of materials staged and they rolled to wherever they were needed - as we opened shelters all across the state.
As far as the immediate crisis area - the FBI hostage rescue team was at the Superdome by Thursday morning (if I recall correctly) and troops from the 82nd Airborne were operating (although martial law was never declared) by Wednesday or Thursday as well.
I cannot recall any moment from late Monday, August 29th to Monday, September 5th, when there were no helicopters taking off, landing or flying over the Superdome. I saw LTG Honore about every 1 to 2 hours from Wednesday on.
More than I saw Nagin and Blanco or any of their people, that's for sure. Even Landreneau only appeared for photo ops, it seemed.
BG Gary Jones was the operational commander during the crisis period.
NOPD was combat ineffective until late into the week, and truth be known, the Guard was just barely operational as late as Wednesday.
(Ask me how I know.)
ETA: Sorry Choctaw.
This post was edited on 7/2/14 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:08 pm to Choctaw
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stop comparing the two...they're not close to the same
that was a comparison to Sandy not 9/11. The only reason i brought 9/11 into the equation was to show that the feds can act quicker than they did for katrina and the contrast how bush himself handled the disasters different. His hands on approach for 9/11 was much better than his hands off approach for katrina. (even if it was just him going to ground zero, it showed a president who offered hope and was resolute in solving the local problems. a response like that could have been beneficial to the people of our state).
Sorry i will stop hijacking this thread.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:09 pm to Y.A. Tittle
You got called on your hypocrisy.
You ask where was Obama the night of Benghazi and give Bush a pass for eating cake with McCaiin and campaigning in CA the day after Katrina.
You criticize Obama for going to vegas the day after Benghazi but say nothing when Bush plays the guitar with a country singer two days after Katrina with a major American city under water.
And you say the Right criticizes Bush.
When? Maybe if he shoots your mom.
You ask where was Obama the night of Benghazi and give Bush a pass for eating cake with McCaiin and campaigning in CA the day after Katrina.
You criticize Obama for going to vegas the day after Benghazi but say nothing when Bush plays the guitar with a country singer two days after Katrina with a major American city under water.
And you say the Right criticizes Bush.
When? Maybe if he shoots your mom.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:11 pm to Ace Midnight
I was on that interstate and I'm not defending Nagin. I'm saying that we were in crisis and Bush was partying.
But hey, you criticize Bush all the time!
Still waiting
But hey, you criticize Bush all the time!
Still waiting
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:13 pm to Vegas Bengal
so do you think Obama should do anything about all these kids coming across the border? should we send them back to Mexico?
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:14 pm to Choctaw
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so do you think Obama should do anything about all these kids coming across the border? should we send them back to Mexico?
Shut up. BUSH!!!
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:14 pm to Ace Midnight
I was on the second heavy to land at Louis Armstrong International after Katrina, we flew 85 missions from our base. I have never seen so many helicopters in my life. Navy New Orleans was flat out insane.
This post was edited on 7/2/14 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:14 pm to Ace Midnight
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You mean Sunday afternoon, August 28th? We never confirmed any levee breaches before the wee morning hours of August 29th.
I mean they warned him they would possibly breach.
One week later he said no one could have expected it.
And I take it back re you personally not criticizing bush
Eta wait what
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I don't think Bush should have been expected to drop everything and come take personal charge of relief efforts
No one said this. But responding to calls for help would have been nice.
Remember Brownie you're doing a heck of a job? Yeah three days before he was fired.
This post was edited on 7/2/14 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:14 pm to Ace Midnight
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I don't think Bush should have been expected to drop everything and come take personal charge of relief efforts.
I do. this is one of the biggest disasters our country has seen/ faced. The president should be focused mainly on it.
Thanks for the detailed description though. and you were obviously on the ground level. Thanks.
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