re: Are severly anti-gay people more likely to be gay?

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I just wish Charles was here to eviscerate this tired little shite stain.

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Well, it never happened before, and this was the topic then, so...

Anyway. I'll have to go back through this thread and reply. I've been busy.

Poor little FT. You degenerate into picking a fight with an individual who is deceased, and you still can't win a debate.

We discussed this a million times. It always went pretty well. I actually agreed with his positions on his church. The problem was that that issue became all consuming and in many cases turned him into what was basically the opposite of Toddy.

FT to be a loser.

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Pimp, there's no need for admin action here, not when the other posters are doing such an excellent job of destroying the OP's misguided premise.

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The OP is actually correct in general.

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The paper includes four separate experiments, conducted in the United States and Germany, with each study involving an average of 160 college students. The findings provide new empirical evidence to support the psychoanalytic theory that the fear, anxiety, and aversion that some seemingly heterosexual people hold toward gays and lesbians can grow out of their own repressed same-sex desires, Ryan says. The results also support the more modern self-determination theory, developed by Ryan and Edward Deci at the University of Rochester, which links controlling parenting to poorer self-acceptance and difficulty valuing oneself unconditionally.

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I knew a guy who, when he was closeted, would beat the crap out of the guy who gave him oral after it all over and guilt set in. Also know a guy who left the seminary and one night took a marine home. The marine, after the deed, beat him almost near death.

Of course no one could tell from reading his posts what his problem was. Vol was joking when he posted that it's guys who can't get it anymore. I've seen that as well. The gay community in many ways is like high school. It's small even in big cities, very cliquish. L.A. is the worst in terms of pretentious people, gay and straight. It's like a characature of itself. When I lived there I used to say, within 5 minutes of meeting someone, you will be asked what kind of car you drive and what you do for a living. And if it's in a gay bar and the conversation is extended (meaning you have the right car and job, you'll be asked your preferred sexual position and the size of your member before the lights come up at 2 am.

A lot of gays get bitter. If you're older and fat and walk into a place like the Abbey in L.A., you might as well be invisible.

As we get older, we all have to accept that we're not what we used to be. We also mature and realize looks and body ain't all that. But there are some who, to feel better about themselves, condemn it all as a drug-filled, meaningless, pretentious and yes sinful world. It's kind of like that old joke "People who say money is not everything are just poor people who say it so they can sleep at night.

But I knew Charlie back at LSU though not well. My roommate was in the band and all those gay band geeks ran together. I have no idea why he'd throw around the term "bug chaser" as soon as he got into it with toddy and never once came to the defense of any gay person in any thread ever started on this site.

So whatever. If there's an afterlife, he's seen the light as we will all.. without the mental and emotional limitations that restrict us in life.

People who have problems they consider amoral often do tend to backlash against them-they feel guilt and disgust for their urges, and try to make it right by preaching against it.

John Lennon for example-for all the songs he wrote about world peace, give peace a chance, imagine, etc., he was a very violent man and physically abused his wife and other people.

As far as anti gays, Ted Haggard, the former president of the National Association of Evangelicals, is the perfect example. In the movie Jesus Camp, which came out before his allegations, he is preaching at a megachurch about how there is no debate about if homosexuality is wrong, since "It's written in the bible". At one point he looks in the camera and says "I think I know what you did last night" and the audience erupts with laughter. Months later he was arrested buying drugs from a gay prostitute, and has since spoken about his fantasies of having orgies with men.

Knowing that about him now, when you watch him say "I know what you did last night", it's like he was speaking to himself.

So yes, some severely anti-gay people are in fact gay, but that isn't just limited to gays.

Almost every gay friend/relative I have assumes that 90% of the US population is gay. Apparently gaydar is a myth.

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Phonies exist in a multitude of ways, but the people who think they see a gay person everytime they turn over a rock are kind of ridiculous.

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yeah, a lot of these gay guys lived in the closet for a while, harbored these inner desires and put on a façade of a straight person. Some of them see other men and think they are doing the same thing.

I can only hope that homophobia and those who are in the closet but fervently anti-gay is a dying trend. By and large I think America has increasingly come to the point where most people's reaction to homosexuality is a shrug.

"We're here, we're queer, get used to it" was the rallying cry for the gay cause for a long time. We seem to be moving into the time period where most Americans are willing to say "We're used to it and we couldn't care less... the ball game is on."

Still not there yet, quite a bit of homophobia still to be overcome and those deepest in the closest probably are the worst about it. Who knows what the future will hold?