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Fair enough. I'd maintain he really doesn't have another choice. I don't know about all the coat stuff. I'm watching what he's getting done, and I'm not displeased. I'm displeased with self identified conservatives blocking him on clearly conservative positions. But in the aggregate, there has been much more good than bad.

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In all truth I didn’t vote for Trump because I thought he wasn’t “Presidential”. I have been won over for two reasons. First, he is getting things done that needed to be done for the economy to flourish. The level of unthought out EO’s by Barry the Buttnugget Obama that choked down progress was astronomical. Just look at the Stock Market growth since Trump was sworn in to see how bad it really was. Secondly he is exposing the liberals and GOPe. What the liberals want will absolutely destroy this country and the GOPe just wants to keep mining the status quo. With those two things I honestly believe I am not alone in being won over.

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Oh no, I'm more right that I thought I was. The horror.....

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And were those 400 who were killed all black? I don't think so, so the number of blacks killed by cops if even lower..

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he is exposing the liberals and GOPe. What the liberals want will absolutely destroy this country and the GOPe just wants to keep mining the status quo

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THIS TIMES ONE MILLION!!! this is what i've been saying all along. he's working to dismantle the political establishment of career politicians, the deep state, activist judges, obama era corruption. how can someone NOT be on board with all of this?!? america needs this BADLY!!

all of that is going to take time and it's going to take an a-hole outsider to get the ball rolling.

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he's working to dismantle the political establishment of career politicians, the deep state, activist judges, obama era corruption.

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Great. Then focusing on some goofball football players is taken attention away from that.

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getting upset over the even smaller protesting is absurd as well

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you still don't get it. they are representing many, many more people who are in agreement even though they are clearly on the losing end of the issue. that's why people are rejecting the protest.

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So you conveniently get to expand the population

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there's nothing "convenient" about it. it's a fact

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even though that population has not been the topic of discussion

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but they are. that's the point. you're trying to single out this tiny subset as if that's the whole of the protest.

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there does seem to be a legitimate concern regarding systemic problems in law enforcement, whether that's training, recruitment, or conduct.

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i can't believe you just said systemic despite the statistics in this very thread proving it's not systemic. not all cops are guilty of brutality. ergo, the problem cannot possibly be systemic. it's episodic and, quite rare as a matter of fact. so, the level of "concern" is not at all legitimate, never has been and any reasonable person has known this from the beginning.

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also care about all of the related issues, including black on black crime

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you must be living in a different country than i am because i see absolutely NO interest in that issue at all. in fact, i see the opposite - blm people trying to downplay any references to black on black violence in comparison to police brutality. you are just not being genuine on this matter.

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Systemic forum?

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yes. as in nation wide celebration of the values that we all live under, which in fact give the players a platform from which to protest in the first place. classic case of sawing off the branch you are sitting on.

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I had actually never witnessed a protest live until after the focus began in week 3

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so where were you when kaepernick was doing his thing for the last year or so? living under a rock?

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that doesn't mean the ridiculous response isn't stupid as well

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it's only stupid because you are grossly misrepresenting what is actually going on, as if you are protecting some narrative. they poked everyone in the eye with their pet project and people decided to vote with their feet - in opposition to their agenda. again, if you want to bring light to the episodic police brutality issue, target your protest to police forums; training academies, police hq's, city council meetings, state capitols, federal buildings, police conventions, etc. THAT would be a commensurate and appropriate response to the issue.

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you still don't get it. they are representing many, many more people who are in agreement even though they are clearly on the losing end of the issue. that's why people are rejecting the protest.

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But the common criticism and rejection is not regarding that the they're protesting, but how they're doing it. So why would you include the thing that's not the major reason people are against it?

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there's nothing "convenient" about it. it's a fact

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Again. Like I said above, you're conveniently expanding the group, to include the people who support the causes they're protesting for, but the primary problem with the protest is in the method itself that's not applicable to those in your expansion.

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i can't believe you just said systemic despite the statistics in this very thread proving it's not systemic.

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What? I was arguing that they're focusing on an issue that is way too specific, which is what the thread is arguing against.

What I mean is that the systemic problems go beyond race and killing and brutality in general.

For example, there was a white college student who drowned after the LEO arrested him for underage drinking on a lake, then proceeded to handcuff him, failed to put him in a life jacket, then sped off in a boat in conditions that caused him to be ejected out of the boat, and he drowned with the handcuffs and no life jacket. That LEO should be in jail, yet he's not, but worse he is still on the force. That's part of the systemic issue.

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you must be living in a different country than i am because i see absolutely NO interest in that issue at all.

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Because the news covers the bad, or the outrageous. Protesting fits that. Community members working for their community to better it doesn't. I don't live in a different country, I'm just aware of some of the actual people doing positive work that doesn't make the news.

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in fact, i see the opposite - blm people trying to downplay any references to black on black violence in comparison to police brutality. you are just not being genuine on this matter.

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That's my point BLM is made up of a bunch opportunists (at least the leadership) who don't truly care enough about the issues, it at all. They make the news, those who actually care and put in the work in the community don't.

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so where were you when kaepernick was doing his thing for the last year or so? living under a rock?

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Not watching a national anthem live, since it's rarely televised (for regular games) and not something I care to watch on TV anyways.

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again, if you want to bring light to the episodic police brutality issue, target your protest to police forums; training academies, police hq's, city council meetings, state capitols, federal buildings, police conventions, etc. THAT would be a commensurate and appropriate response to the issue

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And while I typically agree, your post proves why these types of protests exist in the first place. You say I just live in another country to see the positive work those in community do, but focus solely on that you see in the news to derive your worldview. So the things you're arguing for them to do, would probably go unnoticed to you (and probably do) unless you are it on the news. So how else would they shine light on an issue of people are unwilling or incapable to see this light unless it's front and center on their TVs?

In fact, I don't really like the way they're protesting either, but when the people who are outraged tell them to do it their way and then they'll care, but actually ignore it when they do, then it's actually supported the basis for their protest in the first place.

But regardless, nobody truly wins with this whole ordeal. The people who care about the issues and are trying to make positive change will still be invisible, so nothing changes there. And the people outraged about it will be where they were weeks ago. And we all are more divided than before.

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quote: I'm displeased with self identified conservatives blocking him on clearly conservative positions Which positions in particular?

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Specifically, when he first floated some of his budget cuts. Two Senators immediately came out and said it was dead on arrival. That's real data.

Speculating, I have a feeling his first several efforts at healthcare were more to the process, than any real belief that it would ever get done. Now those might have been bad bills, but there were conservative pieces inside them.

He's placed protective tariffs. Almost entirely unnoticed. They've been strategic, and inside of current agreements. I'm not sure one anti protection conservative commented on any of these. With good reason, it doesn't do much to further their narrative, which is entirely macro. The other possibility is that they are as unaware as the average American.

This entire Russian thing. There is no way while agreeing that Russians attempted to do what they have attempted to do for years, that anyone identifying as a conservative can be comfortable with the complete disregard for civil liberty in this process. Or any similar process, regardless of which party is getting screded.

I could go on, but suffice it to say, I find it entertaining when anti Trump people talk about Trump supporters twisting themselves into pretzels, all the while having a complete lack of awareness, and self awareness.

I said it early and often, this is historic. Trump could crash and burn tomorrow, and in my estimation, would still be a great POTUS merely by using his juvenile methodology to call attention to some things that needed attention called to. SCOTUS alone was a game changer. The nest one moreso.