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Posted on 10/11/17 at 7:18 pm to GRTiger
quote:ESPN has been tracking it, and I didn't notice it until after the week 3 hoopla.
Where did you get your population of kneelers?
I've posted it multiple times, but I would have to search it again. The same 5 players protested both weeks from the same 4 teams (Seahawks had 2, and 1 from Cheifs, Raiders, and 49ers). The Seahawks had one additional player in week 2, who day down next to Bennett at the very end.
Marshawn Lynch is included, and even ESPN has been quick to point out that he hasn't explained why he's sitting. Frankly, since he's like the Fox Mulder of the NFL with his odd trolling and introversion (won't speak during press conferences), I think he's just doing it just to do it.
quote:Of course. But many, like myself, are frustrated that Trump decided to focus his attention to a ridiculous degree, on an issue that had become so small and decreasingly covered. And it was the exact same focus on social issues in the NFL that he lambasted (rightfully) Obama for focusing on, and just like when Obama did it, the leader drew attention to an emotionally-charged issue, and created a larger divide between the two uncompromising sides, regarding something that wouldn't have had led to substantive and positive change even if they could compromise.
You also ignore the thousands and thousands that are defending (many vehemently) the pointless protesting for .0003%, probably intentionally, but possibly out of ignorance.
And this issue became a bit personal because my parents were visiting and we had games on in the background, and despite discussing the issue before with no major problems, I was really hoping everybody would just ignore it. But unlike before, my parents were absolutely outraged about the disrespect, and my brother and I weren't and didn't find it inherently disrespectful.
And although the only distinction between my parents' view and my own, was that I didn't value the symbolism AS MUCH, arguing the values and principles are what truly matter, that small difference led to the first time we've all legitimately got angry with each other over a political disagreement. We've had far wider differences regarding far more substantive issues, and it never got emotional like that. My mom was less upset when I told them u was agnostic.
Same issue, same small differences and when Trump unnecessarily interjected all of a sudden the emotional divide, like the country as a whole, grew exponentially. And for what? Pointless political points and a pointless political victory?
That's the the opposite of leadership.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 7:25 pm to BamaCoaster
quote:400/12,000,000 = 1/30,000 = 0.0000333333
Downvote for your shitty math skillz
0.0000333333 * 100 = 0.00333333%
I'm not seeing the math problem with the OP, unless the inputs shouldn't be 400 and 12,000,000
Posted on 10/11/17 at 7:27 pm to buckeye_vol
Why are you so sure about why Trump focused on this fairly obscure issue?
He's a lot of things, and there is plenty to not like, by some at least, but he's not stupid. Especially in messaging and marketing.
WWF always had a bad guy. Trump learned well from this. It resonates. He will always use this methodology. There will always be a bad guy.
Now if you'd like to be critical of something, why not the average voter, and how they need to be marketed to at this level to get them to pay the smallest amount of attention.
Anyway, go back and examine this all the way back to 2011. Or even further. None of this should surprise anyone who has any awareness at all.
It's not directed at you, but frankly, you sure got caught up in it.
Meanwhile, we might get a tax cut. Portions of Rand's health policy might be enacted. Ad infinitum...
He's a lot of things, and there is plenty to not like, by some at least, but he's not stupid. Especially in messaging and marketing.
WWF always had a bad guy. Trump learned well from this. It resonates. He will always use this methodology. There will always be a bad guy.
Now if you'd like to be critical of something, why not the average voter, and how they need to be marketed to at this level to get them to pay the smallest amount of attention.
Anyway, go back and examine this all the way back to 2011. Or even further. None of this should surprise anyone who has any awareness at all.
It's not directed at you, but frankly, you sure got caught up in it.
Meanwhile, we might get a tax cut. Portions of Rand's health policy might be enacted. Ad infinitum...
Posted on 10/11/17 at 7:29 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
And for what? Pointless political points and a pointless political victory?
I actually think it was strategic...he wants to paint the Democrats into a corner and he is doing it little by little. His popularity is rising while the Democrats are taking a hit. Now he needs the Havey Weinstein thing to really take hold. The guy that was the “Democratic Projectionist” and huge in fund raising getting investigated by the DOJ is big news.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 7:30 pm to buckeye_vol
Subtract it from 100 and you will see the issue
Posted on 10/11/17 at 7:35 pm to BRgetthenet
quote:
lol no such thing.
Big fat Harry Lee says otherwise, rest his soul
Posted on 10/11/17 at 7:47 pm to ABearsFanNMS
quote:OK? I'm assuming you mean subtracted 0.00333333% from 100%?
Subtract it from 100 and you will see the issue
100 - 0.00333333 = 99.9966667%
quote:I’m still not seeing the issue unless someone has a problem with rounding when it repeats?
Posted on 10/11/17 at 7:55 pm to buckeye_vol
Go back and look at the OP (unless he edited it)
Posted on 10/11/17 at 7:59 pm to Gusoline
Update your link, its three years old.
Better WashPo link
766 people killed by police in first nine months, annualized at ~1000/year.
Better WashPo link
766 people killed by police in first nine months, annualized at ~1000/year.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 8:03 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
400 MURDERS
There's a distinct difference between murder and killing...
Just saying.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 8:06 pm to IceTiger
Also as of 2015 according to the FBI there were
FBI
quote:
Nationwide, law enforcement made an estimated 10,797,088 arrests in 2015. Of these arrests, 505,681 were for violent crimes, and 1,463,213 were for property crimes. (Note: the UCR Program does not collect data on citations for traffic violations.) (See Table 29.)
FBI
Posted on 10/11/17 at 8:08 pm to Gusoline
quote:
99.97% of people were smart enough to not act like a GD idiot and resist, but I'm supposed to GAF about the others? We need better trained officers and " less racism" to save the 0.00333333%% of our populace that are too stupid to obey the orders of law enforcement?
Theres more than one case I can think of where no one resisted and innocent people died. Were they "too stupid" as well?
Posted on 10/11/17 at 8:09 pm to Gusoline
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frick man. Give me a cause worth fighting for that will make real difference in the AA community and ill be right there beside you. get this petty politicized false narrative BS out of the mainstream. PLEASE
Posted on 10/11/17 at 8:29 pm to Iowa Golfer
quote:I didn't say he was stupid. In fact, if I thought that was the issue I wouldn't be so critical since he may not be able to help it.
He's a lot of things, and there is plenty to not like, by some at least, but he's not stupid
quote:He's great at keying in on the frustration and angst of his base, like Obama before. It's classic identity politics.
Especially in messaging and marketing.
The problem that both had, which are fundamentally inexcusable examples of poor leadership, is that don't just acknowledge the frustration and give it a voice, frustrations that reasonable people could empathize with. No, they take it a step further, and give the most irrational and hateful aspects of that frustration a voice, then use that irrationality to find an target some group and define them as the enemy, responsible for the frustration.
So now the reasonable can no longer understand it, and are frustrated with it even if they aren't in either group. And the reasonable who were included as the target are on the defense, and worse yet, the unreasonable who were targets get to take advantage of it and use it as an excuse to attack. And the unreasonable on both sides take over the narrative, with attacks and counterattacks over and over. And nothing was solved, and likely is only made worse.
quote:Obama was great at it too. But leaders look beyond what resonates emotionally for his/her base, and finds what can be the most productive change for everyone, whether it emotionally resonates or not.
There will always be a bad guy.
quote:Well I am critical of it, and my own contributions to it, but our leader can either feed into it or put it aside and try to direct the attention on productive issues and solutions. The former is easy. Most tigerdroppings posters can do that, but a true leader does what is difficult and what few can do.
Now if you'd like to be critical of something, why not the average voter, and how they need to be marketed to at this level to get them to pay the smallest amount of attention.
quote:It's not surprising, but it's worsening and increasingly frustrating.
Anyway, go back and examine this all the way back to 2011. Or even further. None of this should surprise anyone who has any awareness at all.
quote:I sure hope so. Remember that's when I will pick up my coat rental, and I won't return it unless he reverts back to the nonsense like we're discussing.
Meanwhile, we might get a tax cut. Portions of Rand's health policy might be enacted. Ad infinitum...
Posted on 10/11/17 at 8:34 pm to ABearsFanNMS
quote:Found it.
Go back and look at the OP (unless he edited it)
quote:I honestly didn't even pay attention to this paragraph because I was so caught up in my retort using the NFL protests percentages.
99.97% of people were smart enough to not act like a GD idiot and resist, but I'm supposed to GAF about the others? We need better trained officers and " less racism" to save the 0.00333333%% of our populace that are too stupid to obey the orders of law enforcement?
I made sure his initial percentage was correct, but I see where you were going with the "subtract from 100" statement.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 8:36 pm to Gusoline
Constant media coverage makes things appear way worse than the reality
Posted on 10/11/17 at 8:41 pm to Gusoline
Actually, your math is more fricked up than you thought. It is more on the magnitude of 0.00003%. Nice try, but you were only off by about 36,000 deaths, plus or minus.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 8:48 pm to Gusoline
Bookmarked because this is powerful.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 8:52 pm to buckeye_vol
Fair enough. I'd maintain he really doesn't have another choice. I don't know about all the coat stuff. I'm watching what he's getting done, and I'm not displeased. I'm displeased with self identified conservatives blocking him on clearly conservative positions. But in the aggregate, there has been much more good than bad.
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