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re: Cholly Mac vs Les
Posted on 4/17/15 at 5:04 pm to Lithium
Posted on 4/17/15 at 5:04 pm to Lithium
The difference is that Les should have won (2) of those games, both losses coming late in the game and heartbreakers. Mac’s teams didn’t have the talent in the latter years and just didn’t have the players to beat Bama. Today’s LSU teams are very talented. So pick your poison, if you get rid of Les, who will come in and keep the program at the high level that it is?
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Posted on 4/17/15 at 5:05 pm to lsu2006
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Or, in the alternative, we could make a good hire and pick up right where we left off
Kinda like when Miles replaced Saban. Although the cupboard was full......... Miles had to just keep it going... Not sure who we could get to replace him. I have been saying for years that Miles is a top 5 coach. Up until last year... Reason??? I think its amazing he could end up with records like he has with the mostly crappy qb play.... With the exception of 2005,2006, and 2013
Posted on 4/17/15 at 5:07 pm to TigerDM
Edwin Edwards hates LSU.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 5:15 pm to Lithium
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Yeah but has lost 4 in a row and lost the biggest one. And his roster has been as good or better most years
We split the season in 2011 and Bama has had a better roster every year since.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 5:20 pm to dukke v
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quote:They missed a 44 yarder, a 50 yarder, a 49 yarder (blocked) and a 52 yarder. So... Just one of those goes in and A win
None of those kicks had a significant statistical chance of being successful in that game, given the Alabama field goal kickers' lack of success in kicks of those distances both before that game and in later games that season that they were asked to kick. Neither of Alabama's kickers had a snow ball's chance of successfully kicking any one those 4 field goals. Either one could have tried from 70 yards with the same result, and with about as much chance of success. Some folks talked about those misses as if there was some reasonable chance that one of them might have been made or that it was a fluke that at least one of them was not made. That simply was not true. Certainly there are kickers that are a statistically good risks at 44 yards, and maybe a few at 49 or 50. But Alabama didn't have of those kickers. The odds were pretty strong against any of those kicks being successful and really were closer to 0 for all but one of the four. Even that one was substantially less than 50% likely to succeed.
This post was edited on 4/17/15 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 4/17/15 at 5:31 pm to dukke v
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FLUKE.... Bama makes just ONE FGhey missed and LSU has a loss.....
its not a fluke to miss 40+ yard field goals when your kicker consistently missed 40+ yard field goals all year.
it would have been a fluke to make them.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 5:36 pm to Lithium
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McClendon lost his job in large part to being 2-8 vs Bama.
So much fail in just one sentence. First of all, he wasn't 2-8, he was 2-14. Second, that's not why he lost his job. He lost his job because he started having four- and five-loss seasons and was no longer even coming close to contending in the SEC. His last six years:
1974: 5-5-1 (later changed to 6-4-1 with Miss. St. forfeit)
1975: 4-7 (later changed to 5-6 with Miss. St. forfeit)
1976: 6-4-1 (later changed to 7-3-1 with Miss. St. forfeit)
1977: 8-4
1978: 8-4
1979: 7-5 (not relevant because his contract was already not renewed before this season started)
That's a hell of a lot more than just losing to Alabama. He went 0-5 in his first five games against Alabama, then won two games, then he lost eight more in a row before his contract was not renewed. If it were about losing to Alabama, he never would have lasted for 18 years.
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If we lose this year it will be the longest losing streak vs Bama in 34 years and would the first group on Seniors to be 0 for 4 vs Bama vs 1992.
We're already tied for our longest losing streak vs. Bama in 33 years.
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These reasons make the Bama game larger than usual this year
Nope. Just like McClendon could have, Les could retire here losing to Alabama every year. LSU is perfectly content to live in the shadow of Alabama, and has never even made a pretense at trying to be as good as Alabama. We've been better in spurts, but only when they have sucked, and as soon as they get good again and get better than us, we just say "oh well it's Alabama, we can't be as good as they are", and we don't even try. That will never change.
The Alabama game will never be big for any LSU coach because no LSU coach is ever expected to win it consistently or penalized for losing it consistently.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 5:39 pm to Nuts4LSU
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or penalized for losing it consistently.
So fire any coach that loses to Bama twice in a row? Three times in a row? What?
Or some other penalty? Dock his pay?
Shouldn't this apply to every coach that plays Bama?
When Saban retires, watch Bama sink back into mediocrity, then get back to me.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 5:40 pm to chilge1
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an overall better roster this year
Irrelevant. We have outplayed them the last two times we played them in Tiger Stadium and still threw away both games. We have conditioned ourselves to lose to Alabama, even if Alabama sucks and we have to make it happen ourselves. We don't have it between the ears to beat them, and it's doubtful we will as long as both schools retain their current head coaches.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 5:53 pm to T
I don't cholly was even close to being where LSU is at now or before. It's very hard to compare the times with high profile and advances in the game today. Coach Bill and Stovall had better teams than Cholly. There was a thread earlier about the best teams of all times and one team that wasn't mentioned was the team that lost to Nebraska by a point in Orange Bowl. That was a good team.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 6:05 pm to lsu2006
Agreed. The biggest problem that most LSU fans have is the lost to bama in national championship game was a huge disaster. It was, but the realist, that realized that bama was probably the better team after being outplayed in first game. We out scored them but didn't outplay them. 3 or 5 missed fg.
The best two teams in college football that year.
The best two teams in college football that year.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 7:13 pm to dukke v
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So... Just one of those goes in and A win.
Not real sure about this, but didn't LSU have a RB (Michael Ford?) who stepped out of bounds on what would have been an easy TD? If he just stays in bounds then the "fluky" missed FG doesn't matter either.
edit:this was actually in OT, so it doesn't quite make the point I was looking for! But winning 13-6 sounds a lot better
This post was edited on 4/17/15 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 4/17/15 at 7:27 pm to Lithium
I grew up watching Mac's teams. He was criticized for the lack of success against Bear Bryant and Johnny Vaught. He was also criticized for the team's qb failures. He was also criticized for his recruiting. He was very loyal to his assistant coaches, and I think that had a lot to do with his demise because except for Jerry Stovall none of them had much success with black kids. At the time he was fired there was a criticism from Dietzel who was AD and some of his former players. All of these factors played a part in his dismissal.
I've been an avid fan of LSU football for over 50 years, and one thing has been constant: everybody thinks he's a better coach than whoever the current coach is. That is part of being a Tiger fan. I'm guilty of that too.
His teams played hard and were usually very good defensively. They won a lot of games nobody gave them chance to win. They rarely lost games to teams like Miami-Ohio or UAB.
Some of the criticism was fair; some of it wasn't.
Time just passed him by.
I've been an avid fan of LSU football for over 50 years, and one thing has been constant: everybody thinks he's a better coach than whoever the current coach is. That is part of being a Tiger fan. I'm guilty of that too.
His teams played hard and were usually very good defensively. They won a lot of games nobody gave them chance to win. They rarely lost games to teams like Miami-Ohio or UAB.
Some of the criticism was fair; some of it wasn't.
Time just passed him by.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 7:31 pm to dukke v
so, do you consider the 9-6 win an example of Miles beating Saban in the favor of Miles' coaching ability, or do you hold contempt for those who do?
I really enjoy the part where you sarcastically say "LSU DOMINATED Bama 9-6" and then act like I'm a total a-hole for being sarcastic. did you get a PhD in reverse psychology?
also reverse psychology: using "troll" against me. I'm glad you looked that word up in urban dictionary after I called you out for being a troll six months ago, but we all know who the troll is (spoiler: dukke v).
and why does every one of your posts have at least 5 ellipses in it? it's like a stutter or an audible pause. I'm worried about you.
I really enjoy the part where you sarcastically say "LSU DOMINATED Bama 9-6" and then act like I'm a total a-hole for being sarcastic. did you get a PhD in reverse psychology?
also reverse psychology: using "troll" against me. I'm glad you looked that word up in urban dictionary after I called you out for being a troll six months ago, but we all know who the troll is (spoiler: dukke v).
and why does every one of your posts have at least 5 ellipses in it? it's like a stutter or an audible pause. I'm worried about you.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 7:40 pm to lsu2006
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Do you not agree that's ridiculous?
I hate when people talk in absolutes so....yeah.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 7:43 pm to KanomieTiger
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They rarely lost games to teams like Miami-Ohio or UAB.
1 or 2 of those
, but you couldn't find a better man than him, he was an awesome manPosted on 4/17/15 at 8:01 pm to NotRight37
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Win half of these and is Saban an all time great coach or is Miles? One of those Shula teams was favored and ranked in the top 5.
Actually I think it is much more simple than that. If LSU plays Oklahoma St, Miles has 2 NC's at LSU, and Saban has 2 NC's at Alabama......and LSU doesn't have that meltdown during the rematch.....thus they likely have much more confidence to finish the game in 2012 and 2014..........to sum it up....that one decision to put Bama in the championship game instead of OK St changed the landscape of the SEC West.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 8:03 pm to DontCare
Dukke V is a girl, and not an exceptionally smart one either. She is just a troll on here. This is her life.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 8:09 pm to oldmantig
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let's see if Miles can find another magical season.
The QB situation will have to change, if we had Mett as a Senior going into next season, this board would be brimming over with confidence
Posted on 4/17/15 at 8:09 pm to Nuts4LSU
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We don't have it between the ears to beat them, and it's doubtful we will as long as both schools retain their current head coaches.
now we are getting somewhere. For it was Nuts that said in 2008 that a Miles Coached team would never beat Saban or Meyer again.....so, this is encouraging.
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