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re: Retail (legal) pot has zero health benefits due to cross breeding.

Posted on 3/29/15 at 10:47 am to
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
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Posted on 3/29/15 at 10:47 am to
NOOOOO!! LIES! THIS WILL CURE CANCER! AND BRING PEOPLE BACK TO LIFE! !!!!! ITS JUST LIES THAT OLD TIMERS ARE THRUSTING ONTO US!!! MARIJUANA IS THE ANSWER TO EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ITS BETTER THAN ALCOHOL, SO ITS LIKE frickING MEDICINE !!!!!!
Posted by LSU1NSEC
Member since Sep 2007
17243 posts
Posted on 3/29/15 at 10:48 am to
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So are you for or against legalization?



I'm undecided. Just trying to get as much information as possible on it. Also, I'm not self-centered enough to think my opinion matters that much in the long run.

I think it's good that people get as much info as possible before voting to legalize it.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
61263 posts
Posted on 3/29/15 at 10:49 am to
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Why are you so anti marijuana?


I dont think its anti-marijuana more than it is the people who hail it has all these superhuman benefits that aren't really shown to exist through data. I dont care about legalizing marijuana or making it illegal. I just do not think its an issue to scream and holler about in comparison to all the other issues in our country.
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 3/29/15 at 10:51 am to
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I just do not think its an issue to scream and holler about in comparison to all the other issues in our country.


Always love this argument. People are capable of holding opinions on a variety of topics
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 3/29/15 at 10:52 am to
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I think it's good that people get as much info as possible before voting to legalize it.



Why would you be against legalizing it if:

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Just my own preference. If people want to get drunk or baked that's their business. I just try to avoid them.

Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
27334 posts
Posted on 3/29/15 at 10:53 am to
Crossbreeding is bad.
Posted by Salmon
On the trails
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 3/29/15 at 10:53 am to
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I'm undecided


Posted by SECSolomonGrundy
Slaughter Swamp
Member since Jun 2012
15881 posts
Posted on 3/29/15 at 10:55 am to
Congratulations on being a dumbass
Posted by 8thyearsenior
Centennial, CO
Member since Mar 2006
4280 posts
Posted on 3/29/15 at 10:56 am to
Not going to argue the medicinal properties of pot because we didn't legalize it recreationally here in Colorado for medicine. We legalized it because it is stupid for anyone to get arrested for smoking it or possessing it. Trying to criminalize it takes away from resources that can be used to fight real crime. We regulate it and tax it similar to alcohol and tobacco as a luxury item. We generated so much in taxes from it last year that every resident is getting a refund from their state income taxes. So now instead of all the money going to criminal groups it is being put to use by the state for the citizens. As a resident here and occasional smoker, I think we have done a hell of a job with it and expect to see every state adopt our model in the next few years.
Posted by mouton
Savannah,Ga
Member since Aug 2006
28276 posts
Posted on 3/29/15 at 10:56 am to
I have suffered from insomnia for years. Marijuana works very well for me. What do you think is a safer and more effective alternative?
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
61263 posts
Posted on 3/29/15 at 10:56 am to
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Always love this argument. People are capable of holding opinions on a variety of topics


I didnt say they weren't. I just know plenty of younger people who have no stance on anything else but marijuana legalization. That is truly sad. They literally focus on that , and that alone because I guess its "cool", or who the frick knows. Im sure older individuals see the entire spectrum, but when our youth already suck at understanding government issues, the marijuana legalization hell-raising makes them think its actually a big problem. They should first and foremost understand our financial issues, and then immigration IMO, before marijuana issues. Just ask any under 25 person about financial or immigration issues, and then ask them about marijuana issues. Experiment with that.
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
14964 posts
Posted on 3/29/15 at 11:02 am to
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We legalized it because it is stupid for anyone to get arrested for smoking it or possessing it.


Do you have any experience with anyone smoking it in public? As I understood the law, you can't smoke in public- quite similar to alcohol. Is that enforced, or do you know anyone who's been "busted?" And if so, what's the penalty? A fine? A night in jail? I've always been curious about how big of a "problem" people smoking in public would be and what would actually be done about it.



Before anyone misreads the quotations around the word "problem" up there, it's sheer curiosity that makes me wonder how severe the punishment is for this offense, because somewhere like New Orleans, where alcohol is legal practically everywhere, I could see some really sore people for being arrested for smoking in public, as opposed to something like being fined or, Heaven forbid, the officer kindly confiscating it and saying "be safe. Have a good night," rather than just looking/walking away.
Posted by 8thyearsenior
Centennial, CO
Member since Mar 2006
4280 posts
Posted on 3/29/15 at 11:07 am to
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Do you have any experience with anyone smoking it in public? As I understood the law, you can't smoke in public- quite similar to alcohol. Is that enforced, or do you know anyone who's been "busted?" And if so, what's the penalty? A fine? A night in jail? I've always been curious about how big of a "problem" people smoking in public would be and what would actually be done about it.


I don't know anyone who has been arrested for smoking in public. 99% of the time cops just tell people to put it out. It isn't a problem here and I doubt you would get arrested for public consumption. I hope you wouldn't get more than a ticket with a fine. People here are pretty respectful. If they are smoking at the ski resorts or what not they put it out if you are passing by with your kids. Honestly I don't see anymore of it since we legalized it. The only difference I have noticed is that I can go to a store and buy it now instead of calling someone who grows.
Posted by biglego
Ask your mom where I been
Member since Nov 2007
76315 posts
Posted on 3/29/15 at 11:12 am to
It's a huge issue for me and I'm an adult with a family. It should be a huge issue for any American who values common sense, liberty, tax dollar waste, and/or medicinal needs.
Posted by LSU1NSEC
Member since Sep 2007
17243 posts
Posted on 3/29/15 at 11:15 am to
TBait - I'm undecided about it. Trying to look at the big picture. I'd respect the pro-legalization argument much more if they'd just skip all the medical miracle stuff and state that people just want to get high.

When you have to lie about something it always raises red flags. One thing concerns me is that legal growers are breeding in higher and higher THC levels. Why?
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
73654 posts
Posted on 3/29/15 at 11:20 am to
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One thing concerns me is that legal growers are breeding in higher and higher THC levels. Why?



What do you care if you don't even smoke.
Higher THC levels just means people will pass out faster. Are you scared higher THC will make the already rambunctious stoners act even more intense?

Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
23965 posts
Posted on 3/29/15 at 11:23 am to
Since you are sober look up the diff between cure and treating symtoms......dummy
Posted by Salmon
On the trails
Member since Feb 2008
83579 posts
Posted on 3/29/15 at 11:23 am to
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One thing concerns me is that legal growers are breeding in higher and higher THC levels. Why?


because they can and that is what the customers want?

why would this concern you?

there is not one legitimate argument against the legalization of marijuana
Posted by LesMiles BFF
Lafayette
Member since May 2014
5101 posts
Posted on 3/29/15 at 11:23 am to
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One thing concerns me is that legal growers are breeding in higher and higher THC levels


Do you ever ask why alcohol like Everclear is sold? Why make something that is 190 proof when drinking beer can get you just as drunk?

And to be honest, I've never heard anyone say that weed cures any disease.
This post was edited on 3/29/15 at 11:25 am
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
14964 posts
Posted on 3/29/15 at 11:23 am to
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I have suffered from insomnia for years. Marijuana works very well for me. What do you think is a safer and more effective alternative?



I will admit that I do not know which cannabinoid is responsible for somnolence I am also not certain if it has detrimental effects on sleep like other substances like Alcohol, thus you'll see me abstain from mentioning those or recommending alcohol for sleep. Forgive my ignorance. I'm not a sleep expert. Here are my thoughts on the subject:

1) smoking it isn't good for your lungs. If you do choose to smoke it, use a filter of some sort. Unfiltered and you'll still run the higher risk of mouth/throat cancer (think of it not caused by tobacco or marijuana but by just irritating things in general, smoke with particulate matter being considered "irritating.")

2) when you say "safer," if you don't take into account social consequences, I've got nothing. But a Schedule I for personal use is a poor decision (regardless of how stupid its schedule status is and that's not my point). If you're in a couple of states, you're about as safe as with anything else. If you've got any first degree relative with schizophrenia, you should seek an alternative. If you are a heavy user, be aware that hyperemesis (unstoppable vomiting) can be induced by marijuana, and I've seen it severe enough to perforate the esophagus of a pair of young (20s) guys. It's life-threatening. If you don't feel otherwise I'll but can't stop throwing up, particularly if you ever cut down or off the amount you take it, seek medical treatment. It's not a scare tactic to get you to stop, nor am I recommending that you cease to use marijuana because of it- it's information for you and nothing more. Everything has a life-threatening side effect in medicine. People should know them.

3) sleep hygiene is highly effective. It's also highly impractical. There's plenty of reading online, I can expand if you'd like. But basically, your room is a dark place for you to have sex, sleep, and change your clothes. Training your body to sleep in your room works. Again, impractical. There are other tidbits if it interests you. This would, technically, be safer than a pharmaceutical intervention. I don't expect that you'll try it or have success with it. Behavior changing is always the most effective treatment, but it's stupidly hard and people are unwilling to do it. I, myself, suffer from insomnia and have terrible sleep hygiene. I know how to fix it. I just don't. Thus, my low expectations for you (generic "you")

4) safe, effective (neither safeR or MORE effective were said):
Melatonin- probably not helpful in someone who has tried "more serious" things. A great place to start for any insomniac. Wouldn't hurt to try. Cheap and OTC, 10mg recommended dose. I myself take 5mg with good success. Benadryl and other first generation anti-histamines, particularly vistaril, are effective. On a psych ward full of substance abusers, it got the majority of them to sleep quickly with no complaints. Minimal side effect profile in a young, otherwise healthy individual. Vistaril is the better option- it's Rx only. Benadryl is similar and OTC, but it's less effective and the doses aren't to promote sleep (so it works, but you're using it despite it not being bred/tailored for the right thing). There are a couple of things labeled as anti-psychotics that are effective. Seroquel is the most neutral of them. I forget if it's weight-neutral or possibly caused people to put on a little weight. But it's very safe and effective. There are also a handful of anti-seizure meds that do good work here.
Things like Ambien and Valium and those classes are not good due to high potential for abuse as well as, similar to alcohol (working on the same receptor, actually), lead to a "restless" sleep. So you sleep more, but the quality of the sleep is worse. Some people function fine with it. Some do not.



If you are legitimately interested in stopping, there are equally safe and effective alternatives that have no social drawbacks- harm reduction is an important aspect of medicine that is overlooked (and irrelevant if you're a Washington or Oregon guy, almost definitely. Unless you've got a certain kind of job). If you're not, please take into consideration the damaging effects of smoking and opt for another route of ingestion. And, as always, just be safe.
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