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Runners of the OT: Precentages?

Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:09 am
Posted by Black
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Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:09 am
While in the gym yesterday, began talking with a guy who's there almost everyday and logs 6-7 miles per day. I'm currently doing Couch to 10k, and about to hit the 3 mile marker again(did couch to 5k a while back).

So i ask him for some tips on busting past the 3 mile mark b/c lately it feels like it's taking everything i have to make it there.

He tells me after the 3 mile mark, it's all about percentages. Of course, i acted like i knew what he was talking about due to being short on time and having to get to my desk to start the day.

Anyone care to explain what he meant?
Posted by KG6
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Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:13 am to
I assume he means increase your distance by say 10% each week on your "long" run.

Over a period of time, you'll reach your goal pretty easily. Honestly once you are in good shape, after 5 miles or so get's easy on your lung capacity (as in I don't find myself that much more winded running 5 miles compared to 8 miles). You're building up your legs to go further at that point.
This post was edited on 3/24/15 at 8:15 am
Posted by Black
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Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:15 am to
quote:

I assume he means increase your distance by say 10% each week on your "long" run.


ah ok...i can see that. Though the app kinda handles that i guess. It increases each week. Right now, i'm at 2.5 miles per run, and next week bumps up to 2.75.

Today felt a lot better than a couple days. Hopefully that means i'm on the right track
Posted by Black n Gold
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Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:19 am to
Here's a tip that may help you. Has helped me in the past. At least one day a week, change up your routine a little. If you normally run in the evening, run in the morning. If you traditionally run in your neighborhood, run in the neighborhood next to you. You will be surprised what a little change in routine can do for your results.
Posted by KG6
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Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:20 am to
When you are training for half marathons or marathons, sometimes adding a set amount of mileage each week isn't as meaningful as the percentage increase. Adding a mile to your run when you are only running 2 miles is a huge increase. Where as adding a mile to your run when you are running 18 miles, is not really a big increase for the week.

For a 10k, I'd just consistently push myself if I were you and you'll get there. Just make sure you finish your runs not leaving a lot in the tank, and you'll continue to build. A lot of the time I talk myself out of what I can do, then once I'm done with the run, I realize I probably could have done more and that's a waste of a whole day.

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If you traditionally run in your neighborhood, run in the neighborhood next to you. You will be surprised what a little change in routine can do for your result


I did this the other day on my bike. I had never ridden more than 20 miles (new to riding). Took a new route and when I got back, pulled out my route tracker and saw that I had just ridden 40 miles!
This post was edited on 3/24/15 at 8:23 am
Posted by Black n Gold
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Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:22 am to
quote:

For a 10k, I'd just consistently push myself if I were you and you'll get there. Just make sure you finish your runs not leaving a lot in the tank, and you'll continue to build.


Good advise. I always sprint my last 1/4 mile just to ensure I'm not walking back inside with fuel left.
Posted by tiger91
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Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:22 am to
quote:

feels like it's taking everything i have to make it there


Physically as in legs aching etc or breathing wise? I wonder if you're trying to run too fast. I'm coming back from 2 knee surgeries and am going back to heart rate training ... running by hr rather than pace and at the end of an assigned time/distance feel like I could keep going. Key is to make it an EASY run.

And I'm still a novice runner (3 years this month) but I'd also assume that the %ages mean to increases and yes the C to 10k program would factor that in I would assume.
Posted by Homey the Clown
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Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:23 am to
quote:

You will be surprised what a little change in routine can do for your results.


I agree with this. A change in scenery usually keeps my mind off of how far/long I have been running, and before i know it, Ive reached my distance.
Posted by 82fumanchu
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Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:24 am to
I don't know about percentages, but the nike run app has programs for different distances at different levels of training intensity. Just a little langniappe if you wanted to try this route too. Good luck.
Posted by Black n Gold
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Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:28 am to
How many days a week are you running? I made up a method to follow some time ago when trying to add miles to my routine. If I run three days a week for example, I make one my "long run". So I may run 2,2, & 4. Do that for two weeks or so, then run 3,3, &6. And so on. Again, I made that up, but it worked for me.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:29 am to
quote:

So i ask him for some tips on busting past the 3 mile mark b/c lately it feels like it's taking everything i have to make it there.


mix it up

run somewhere different or run your normal route backwards
Posted by Black n Gold
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Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:31 am to
Hey Salmon, what kind of shoes are you running in these days? Ever run in Newtons? About to give them a try for the first time.
Posted by Kingpenm3
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Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:39 am to
If I had to guess I'd say that he was talking about max HR percentages. And I'm guess that when you get to about that 3 mile mark you are really getting your heart rate up there, but if you backed off, or did some run/walk splits, you would be able to bust through that 3 mile mark. Speed will come with time.

Posted by Black
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Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:42 am to
quote:

Physically as in legs aching etc or breathing wise?



Breathing and endurance wise. Like you guys are saying, the last .5 mile is on empty, which feels really good after. There's nothing left in the tank

I'm running at a 9 minute pace


quote:

mix it up


i'll have to do this. I run 3 times a week with the app, but usually it's in the gym at work on the treadmill. On my run days, i may start going around the neighborhoods for 1 or 2 of the runs
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:43 am to
quote:

what kind of shoes are you running in these days? Ever run in Newtons?


yes

I currently run in either Newton Distance S or NB Minimus Zeros

Love the Newtons for long runs on pavement

they are going to feel weird at first though with the nog in the forefoot, so just a warning
Posted by TU Rob
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Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:44 am to
I'm not a distance runner compared to most that run, but I usually stay in the 3-4 mile range running 2-3 times a week. I was training for a 10k a few years ago, and followed the advice to make one run each week a longer run. It helped on that one to really change up the route. I run in downtown Birmingham on my lunch break, and I usually follow the same route from the Y down to Railroad Park and Regions Field. Do a couple laps around the park or around the stadium and then head back. When I wanted to go longer, I didn't even go near the park. I ran straight to Southside and around the UAB campus. Different streets and all of the change in scenery helps. Once I even ran away from downtown into an old abandoned industrial area. No traffic and wide open streets. I'd also throw in a saturday run in my neighborhood from time to time. Little things like this help. The thing about running in a neighborhood or around a park is that you're never that far away from being home or back to the gym. Forcing yourself to get a couple miles away from your start/end point will make you conserve a little energy to make the longer distance and get back.

Don't increase tempo OR mileage more than 10% a week. And don't be an idiot like I was and try to increase both. I ended up with achilles tendonitis and had to take a long break for it to heal and ended up not running the 10k I had been training for.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:45 am to
quote:

On my run days, i may start going around the neighborhoods for 1 or 2 of the runs


I strongly suggest doing as many runs outside as possible

treadmills are so soul crushing
Posted by Black n Gold
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:48 am to
quote:

they are going to feel weird at first though with the nog in the forefoot, so just a warning


So I've heard. I'm also hoping they will help build some muscle mass in my puny calves.
Posted by Creamer
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Posted on 3/24/15 at 9:00 am to
I would get off the treadmill, it is much easier to get your mind off of running when that light up track is not staring you in the face. Also, I sometimes take a day and just run sprints, leaves me sore as hell but I feel like my breathing when jogging is much better.

another tip is don't follow the app blindly, if you are feeling good on your short day keep going. The app doesn't take into acct how your body feels feels, some days you just get amped to keep running. Take advantage of it. if I know I am planning to run 6 miles, my body gets tired at 5. If I plan on running 3, my body gets tired at 2.5. It can be difficult to get past the mind games associated with running.

One more thing, if you are in br go do the lakes. Once you get halfway, you are forced to finish.
Posted by tiger91
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Posted on 3/24/15 at 9:01 am to
quote:

I'm running at a 9 minute pace


Can you talk while running? If not then I'd say that you're running too fast unless you're doing speedwork or tempo run. Easy runs should be EASY ... you can talk and not be out of breath.

And at first I thought maybe % he was talking about was increases ... but could totally have been hr.
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