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re: Rank your NBA title contenders from most likely to least likely
Posted on 1/26/15 at 2:44 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 1/26/15 at 2:44 pm to Lester Earl
not sure if you did this, but who would you currently rate as superstars in the league?
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Posted on 1/26/15 at 2:45 pm to Lester Earl
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. But he's also played on winning teams, he's won dunk contest, has national ads, and is in top 10 jersey sales every year. He is very much so one of the faces of the NBA
I want preface this saying Griffin is a superstar and I'm a huge fan but let me go ahead and point out some other facts.
He's also played on a losing team, missed a year with injury, won an award that also has a bunch of "who da frick" just like the MEANINGLESS slam dunk contest (another who do frick) which he shouldn't of even won, is constantly getting into skirmishes and has yet to compete for Team USA.
Gasol is very much a superstar.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 2:50 pm to Lester Earl
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Marketing & popularity certainly are factors of superstardom
being one of the leagues best two ways players is a more important factor. Winning helps as well.
Bigger name /=/ superstar on the court, which is what this argument stems from-that the Hawks can't win without a superstar.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 2:50 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:no kidding.
What's wrong with him putting the Clippers at 6?
I believe they're 2nd only to the Warriors in pt diff based on ORtg/DRtg, best offense in the league as well.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 2:56 pm to quail man
I'm not by a computer so this is off the top of my head
Lebron
Durant
Curry
AD23
Harden
Howard
Carmelo
DWade
Westbrook
Duncan
Parker
CP3
Griffin
Kobe
Dirk
Love
DRose is still one too but I'll leave him off for now
Gasol is definitely on the cusp, but the Grizz's season has to end on a positive note. And he has to keep up his scoring numbers.
I don't think Horford is close. I could rattle off 15 more names before I hit him
I don't think superstars are born over night, unless we're talking transcendent players like Lebron or AD23. That's why I leave off guys like Gasol, klay, Paul George, John wall. Show me more
Lebron
Durant
Curry
AD23
Harden
Howard
Carmelo
DWade
Westbrook
Duncan
Parker
CP3
Griffin
Kobe
Dirk
Love
DRose is still one too but I'll leave him off for now
Gasol is definitely on the cusp, but the Grizz's season has to end on a positive note. And he has to keep up his scoring numbers.
I don't think Horford is close. I could rattle off 15 more names before I hit him
I don't think superstars are born over night, unless we're talking transcendent players like Lebron or AD23. That's why I leave off guys like Gasol, klay, Paul George, John wall. Show me more
Posted on 1/26/15 at 3:06 pm to Lester Earl
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Lebron
Durant
Curry
AD23
Harden
Howard
Carmelo
DWade
Westbrook
Duncan
Parker
CP3
Griffin
Kobe
Dirk
Love
i think that's the absolute max. i'd personally leave off possibly both Parker and Duncan currently (at one point both would be there) along with Love. I think all are tops at their position, but like you mentioned earlier, there's a lot that goes into being a superstar besides being an all-pro caliber player. which is why Gasol would also be off my list as well. and why Kobe would be on it, despite his poor play.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 3:10 pm to quail man
Duncan and Parker are just so boring. Almost to a point where we take them for granted.
Their current stats may not scream superstar, but their resumes certainly do. Being the defending champs, I think they are relevant to this list
Their current stats may not scream superstar, but their resumes certainly do. Being the defending champs, I think they are relevant to this list
Posted on 1/26/15 at 3:16 pm to Lester Earl
I think "superstar" is reserved for those that cross into the world of entertainment (i.e. commercials, TV shows, endorsements). It does not necessarily speak to the accomplishments of the player. It just means that the player at that moment in time is extremely marketable.
There are tons of great players, even HOF players that were never superstars. There are tons of past superstars that were flashes in the pan. Being a superstar does not mean a player is an all-time great, though the two often correlate.
There are tons of great players, even HOF players that were never superstars. There are tons of past superstars that were flashes in the pan. Being a superstar does not mean a player is an all-time great, though the two often correlate.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 3:17 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
I'm not by a computer so this is off the top of my head
you're on a mobile device with Internet access, you're on a fricking computer
quote:
Lebron
Durant
Curry
AD23
Harden
Howard
Carmelo
DWade
Westbrook
Duncan
Parker
CP3
Griffin
Kobe
Dirk
Love
Certainly not these two over Gasol or Horford and you're saying Harden has shown you more? that Kobe and Dirk are still superstars?
You're saying marketing and popularity plays a factor and then you're saying show you more on the court? Dirk and Kobe are past their primes and one hasn't played a full season in a couple of years.
Griffin hasn't won shite, Curry for that matter hasn't done more than Gasol in the league.
You're basing this off of commercials and I'll agree with your list these has some of the most prolific commercial stars in the nba.
However, I'd argue that social media followers is more accurate than listing guys in show commercials.
FTR, NBA stars with the most followers(FB+Twitter)
LeBron
Shaq
KD
Kobe
Melo
Howard
Wade
Lamar Odom
Chris Paul
Paul Pierce
Pau Gasol
Griffin
Manu
Harden
Magic
Nash
Westbrook
Rose
Curry
Rondo
That being said, the argument is about on the court and Horford is better than a lot of those guys.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 3:43 pm to RonBurgundy
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The Cavs are hot right now, but the entire design of their team is flawed.
Strong guard play, great perimeter shooting, two of the best wing defenders(when LeBron gives a shite on that end), inside presence. Energetic rebounding 6th man, should have an 8 man rotation by the end of the season.
Don't have much depth.. But in terms of LeBron teams that is one of most well structured teams he's been on.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 3:52 pm to RonBurgundy
I don't think you have to be on twitter to realize that Harden and Curry are better players than Horford. I may have misunderstood your post, because I have found myself agreeing with a lot of what you've said lately, I just can't get behind Horford being a superstar. He is a good player, maybe top 25 in the league, but just because he is a good passer for a big man doesn't make him a superstar.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 4:05 pm to RonBurgundy
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Certainly not these two over Gasol or Horford and you're saying Harden has shown you more?
This year? Or for their careers? Like I said, Im not crowning superstars after 40 games.
We can lump Gasol, Horford, Love and Carmelo all as guys who havent won shite as a team. So they all have that going for them.
Carmelo is a former scoring champ, has been a leader on Team USA, has a top 5 selling jersey, and as you point out, has the 4th most twitter followers of any NBA player.
Love has been 2nd team all NBA twice. He's led the league in rebounding. He's averaged over 25PPG in a season more than once.
Harden 1st team all NBA, on pace to win the scoring title this year, getting tons of face time in commercials.
Marc Gasol has never averaged more then 14PPG in a full season, ever. Scoring is sexy.
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that Kobe and Dirk are still superstars?
yea. How are they not?
Kobe had the 3rd most jersey sales of anyone in the NBA last year. He's a superstar until he retires.
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Griffin hasn't won shite, Curry for that matter hasn't done more than Gasol in the league.
Griffin has a career average of 21/10/4ast. His career PER is 22.9
compared to Gasol 14ppg/8/3Ast and a PER 18.6
Horford: 14/9/2 career PER 18.9
do i really need to go over Curry's rise to stardom? Come on.
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he argument is about on the court and Horford is better than a lot of those guys.
No buddy, the argument was "super stardom". It encompasses more than just on the court production. Even with that being said, this is Marc Gasol's first year in that stratosphere.
shite. Horford is 3rd on his own team in scoring, and 2nd in rebounding... Lets chill with the superstar talk
Posted on 1/26/15 at 4:11 pm to Lester Earl
More well known around the world
Al Horford
Marc Gasol
Or
Nick Young
Al Horford
Marc Gasol
Or
Nick Young
Posted on 1/26/15 at 4:16 pm to GynoSandberg
I'd say Mark from his Euro days
then Swaggy
then Al.
then Swaggy
then Al.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 4:18 pm to TheWalrus
It is the
No Brains Association. Ugly Tattoo Association, gold chain Association. Who cares
No Brains Association. Ugly Tattoo Association, gold chain Association. Who cares
This post was edited on 1/26/15 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 1/26/15 at 4:32 pm to namvet6566
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namvet6566
Thank you for your service, but you can kindly GTFO.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 4:36 pm to namvet6566
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namvet6566
Posted on 1/26/15 at 4:54 pm to Lester Earl
Marc Gasol has never averaged more then 14PPG in a full season, ever. Scoring is sexy.
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Tell that to the 2x MVP (one year where he averaged 15.5 PPG) with a HOF career 14.3 average.
Scoring is overrated. The ability to score,however is not. You're confused on the difference.
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Carmelo is a former scoring champ, has been a leader on Team USA, has a top 5 selling jersey, and as you point out, has the 4th most twitter followers of any NBA player.
Again scoring champs are vastly overrated. Stats don't make a superstar.Ask SAR.
Jeremy Lin was #2 in 2012. Wasn't a superstar then, not one now.
but more importantly
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the argument was "super stardom". It encompasses more than just on the court production. Even with that being said, this is Marc Gasol's first year in that stratosphere.
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5. Hawks - No superstar, no freaks given. They play beautiful basketball. Just not sure if they can make a run in their first real year as a contender.
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Serious question, in a playoff game when the Hawks are down 2-1 in the series, on the road in Game 4 when they pretty much have to win, and they fall behind by 8 points with 6 minutes to go, who on that team will tell everyone else "Give me the ball, I got this"? Every championship team recently has had a guy or two like that.
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NBA is superstar driven. Usually the more stars on a team, the deeper they go.
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Throw the players from the Hawks, Cavs, and Warriors in a draft. How long does it take for a Hawks player to be selected?
No champ, the argument is about a superstar on the court, you're just attempting to frame the definition of a superstar to fit with your stance that Horford and Gasol are not(and very poorly I might,add).
If you truly believe that, well quiet frankly, you either don't watch basketball a lot or you don't watch it very well.
This post was edited on 1/26/15 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 1/26/15 at 5:04 pm to RonBurgundy
Gasol is not a superstar on court or off. He is a very good player, though.
ETA: both Gasol and Horford are very good players that fit within a system. Neither are putting a team on their back and scoring 35+ to win a game. Either would be a very good number two offensive option on a team, though.
ETA: both Gasol and Horford are very good players that fit within a system. Neither are putting a team on their back and scoring 35+ to win a game. Either would be a very good number two offensive option on a team, though.
This post was edited on 1/26/15 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 1/26/15 at 5:39 pm to RonBurgundy
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Tell that to the 2x MVP (one year where he averaged 15.5 PPG) with a HOF career 14.3 average.
Scoring is overrated. The ability to score,however is not. You're confused on the difference.
PGs are different with their ability to control a game. Again, led the NBA in assists. While flirting with 50/40/90. Again, do something extraordinary, and lets talk. shite, can you lead your team out of the 1st RD of the playoffs consistently first? Winning 2 MVPs is extraordinary. In turn, super star.
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you're just attempting to frame the definition of a superstar to fit with your stance that Horford and Gasol are no
and you're basing it on team success. Despite both teams exiting the after the 1st round last year.
Sorry but superstars are not born over 40 games. You're label of superstar opens the door for 40 or so players, and it just cheapens the term.
shite id argue Horford isnt even the best player on his own team. Jeff Teauge leads that team in PER, win shares, scoring, & assists
This post was edited on 1/26/15 at 5:41 pm
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