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re: Lets get one thing straight: Harbaugh is NOT Saban
Posted on 12/18/14 at 7:25 am to CharlesLSU
Posted on 12/18/14 at 7:25 am to CharlesLSU
Mrs. Saban?
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Posted on 12/18/14 at 7:56 am to CharlesLSU
Saban wasn't Saban at Michigan State or Miami.
He should excel at Michigan if he's into it.
He should excel at Michigan if he's into it.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:02 am to Overbrook
Yeah I mean you can also say Saban wasn't Saban at LSU excep for his NC run. Saban wasn't Saban his first year at Bama etc.;
Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:07 am to ironsides
While at LSU, Saban didn't have to face a strong Bama or a spurrier-led Florida for most of his time there.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:07 am to ironsides
JH is 50 right now. When Saban was 50, he was just taking (or 1 year into) the job at LSU.
My point is that Michigan can't hire Saban, but they can hire Harbaugh (who has more success up to this stage of his life than Saban had). He's also a Michigan alum, which at the very least gives the impression of longevity and stability at the helm. No one knows how Harbaugh will work out at Michigan and if he will have the success that Saban has had, but if you look at his resume to this point it's a no-brainer for Michigan. And the way Michigan is handling this right now is as well as they possibly can.
My point is that Michigan can't hire Saban, but they can hire Harbaugh (who has more success up to this stage of his life than Saban had). He's also a Michigan alum, which at the very least gives the impression of longevity and stability at the helm. No one knows how Harbaugh will work out at Michigan and if he will have the success that Saban has had, but if you look at his resume to this point it's a no-brainer for Michigan. And the way Michigan is handling this right now is as well as they possibly can.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:11 am to lsupride87
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Correct. Saban only went undefeated once. So he only has one season that is better the Harbaughs 12-1 season
This is borderline retarded. Harbaugh also lost 5+ games his other 3 seasons at Stanford. Saban also has 4 seasons (maybe 5 after this year) equal to or greater than the one Harbaugh season you keep using for your ridiculous argument.
ETA: after a little research, Stanford won by 2 against an 8-5 USC team and won by 4 against a 6-6 ASU team during that 12-1 season. So change 1 or 2 plays in those games and they are an 11-2 team. And then Saban has 9 seasons equal to or better than Harbaugh's best season and 4 (maybe 5) outright better.
This post was edited on 12/18/14 at 8:19 am
Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:13 am to PhiTiger1764
It's stanford, man. Admission is a lot harder.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:19 am to CharlesLSU
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Saban is the best coach in NCAA history
Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:19 am to Chicken
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Saban is the best coach in NCAA history with an unreal trophy case
Good God man, do you have a Saban fat head hanging in your man cave?? I think there would be a few coaches in the NCAA history that would argue this point, just sayin
Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:22 am to Chicken
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It's stanford, man. Admission is a lot harder.
Andrew Luck was a smart dude.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:25 am to PhiTiger1764
So we are going to start looking at margins of victories of harbaugh? What about Saban? Wins over Kentucky on last play and scraping by Oregon state come to mind. Bunch of others while he was at LSU
Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:29 am to CharlesLSU
Considering what Harbaugh did at both San Diago abd Stanford I would say yes he is on equal footing as Saban. he may not have the hardware but to make Standford relevant speaks volumes about his coaching ability considering the hurdles he has to work with in recruiting.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:29 am to CharlesLSU
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I've read several comments where people seem to equate them.....bullshite Saban is the best coach in NCAA history with an unreal trophy case. Until Harbaugh matches that level of success, it's all idle chatter.
Harbaugh has spent less time at the college level and more time at the pro-level. He's the only one of the two who's had success at both.
Stanford won ZERO games before he came in. He turned them into a pac 12 power. Stanford isn't Alabama or LSU.
We'll never know, however, I think Jim is saban's equal and possibly better coach. They have trailed different paths. Could you imagine Harbaugh at U.S.C.? i don't think saban has three titles because Harbaugh would have won a couple.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:31 am to Chicken
The only thing I am arguing against is lsupride87's argument that Saban had only 1 season better than Stanford 2010. This is still incredibly ridiculous.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:39 am to PhiTiger1764
quote:Incorrect. Saban has had only one season better. He has had more 1 loss seasons though, so he is definitely still more accomplished than Jim Harbaugh. But how couldn't he be? Harbaugh has had 0 seasons at a championship caliber program, Saban has had 13. And yet, even without being at a power, Harbaugh was able to match Sabans second best season
The only thing I am arguing against is lsupride87's argument that Saban had only 1 season better than Stanford 2010. This is still incredibly ridiculous.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:42 am to CharlesLSU
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I've read several comments where people seem to equate them.....bullshite
Saban is the best coach in NCAA history with an unreal trophy case. Until Harbaugh matches that level of success, it's all idle chatter.
You're missing the part where Harbaugh and Saban are comparable coming out of the NFL, with Saban having more college success and Harbaugh having high success at both levels.
Saban didn't come in with a loaded trophy case, he came in with a trophy and ESPN blowing him. Harbaugh will get the same treatment, and it will do wonders for recruiting just like it did Saban.
Obviously if Harbaugh can't hold up his end it won't last, and that has what made Saban what he is. But let's not pretend the hype around Saban isn't a part of his success.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:55 am to lsupride87
Ty Willingham won a Pac-10 title at Stanford.
Stanford is no traditional powerhouse, but having success there does not automatically equal elite coaching prowess. Ask Notre Dame/UDub about that.
Stanford is no traditional powerhouse, but having success there does not automatically equal elite coaching prowess. Ask Notre Dame/UDub about that.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 9:00 am to MetArl15
quote:Ok. Look at Harbaughs last year he went 12-1, and then look at the two years after he left. He had Stanford setup for continued success. Which is something they have never had at that level. So IMHO, what he did at Stanford his better to the comparable situation Saban had in MSU
Stanford is no traditional powerhouse, but having success there does not automatically equal elite coaching prowess. Ask Notre Dame/UDub about that.
Now clearly Harbaugh was also better than Saban in the NfL
So, considering Jim has been better comparably in his first two stops, I think it is logical to think he would do better in the third comparable situation, a power Ncaa school
Posted on 12/18/14 at 9:05 am to lsupride87
Your wording is ridiculous.
Saban could have gone 0-12 in 2003, 2011, and 2012 and the quoted statement would still be true. You are conveniently grouping all his "2nd best" years together as one equal entity.
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Harbaugh was able to match Sabans second best season
Saban could have gone 0-12 in 2003, 2011, and 2012 and the quoted statement would still be true. You are conveniently grouping all his "2nd best" years together as one equal entity.
This post was edited on 12/18/14 at 9:06 am
Posted on 12/18/14 at 9:11 am to PhiTiger1764
quote:I know I am. You are missing why I said the original quote. It was part of my argument to say we need to get away from the "titles" argument. I only said that because in all of sabans titles years but 1, he had one loss. So Jim did that as well in 2010. That was my only point.
Saban could have gone 0-12 in 2003, 2011, and 2012 and the quoted statement would still be true. You are conveniently grouping all his "2nd best" years together as one equal entity.
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