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re: Lets get one thing straight: Harbaugh is NOT Saban
Posted on 12/17/14 at 7:22 pm to CharlesLSU
Posted on 12/17/14 at 7:22 pm to CharlesLSU
quote:And there is still a coach at that program who has more titles than him. I think if Harbaugh was at Bama he would have as much or more success than Saban. I am sorry that angers you. But that does not seem like a crazy thought to me
I'd lobby Saban resurrected Bama into the most dominant football dynasty in NCAA history.
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Posted on 12/17/14 at 7:23 pm to lsupride87
Stay away from chess boards.....if wouldn't end well for you.
Not angry....I am impatient with stupidity
Not angry....I am impatient with stupidity
This post was edited on 12/17/14 at 7:25 pm
Posted on 12/17/14 at 7:24 pm to lsupride87
Saban's 1999 season at Michigan State was its best since 1965 and highest final ranking since 1966.
Harbaugh never won a conference title at Stanford. Prior to Shaw, their last conference title was in 1999.
Harbaugh never won a conference title at Stanford. Prior to Shaw, their last conference title was in 1999.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 7:25 pm to CharlesLSU
quote:you actually have a very bad way of discussing who is better. You think because one is more accomplished and decorated he is better. Could Saban be better? Yes. But your argument of titles and wins is a completely illogical point when one coach has not had the same opportunity.
Stay away from chess boards.....if wouldn't end well for you.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 7:25 pm to lsupride87
quote:
And there is still a coach at that program who has more titles than him. I think if Harbaugh was at Bama he would have as much or more success than Saban. I am sorry that angers you. But that does not seem like a crazy thought to me
Posted on 12/17/14 at 7:27 pm to lsupride87
quote:
you actually have a very bad way of discussing who is better. You think because one is more accomplished and decorated he is better. Could Saban be better? Yes. But your argument of titles and wins is a completely illogical point when one coach has not had the same opportunity.
You literally just used titles and wins in discussing Bryant and Saban at Alabama.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 7:27 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 12/17/14 at 7:27 pm to CapstoneGrad06
quote:Harbaughs 2012 season was stanfords best finish and first one loss season SINCE 1935
Saban's 1999 season at Michigan State was its best since 1965 and highest final ranking since 1966.
Harbaugh never won a conference title at Stanford. Prior to Shaw, their last conference title was in 1999
This post was edited on 12/17/14 at 7:28 pm
Posted on 12/17/14 at 7:29 pm to CapstoneGrad06
Saban never won a conference title at MSU and his best bowl game was the Citrus Bowl. Harbaugh at least went to two BCS bowls at Stanford.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 7:29 pm to CapstoneGrad06
quote:Only to show success has been obtained at that program before. But i still hate the title argument in terms of the success of a coach in a season. In 2012, if oregon doesnt choke and they stay undefeated and go to the title game, did Saban all of a sudden coach worse that year? No. He would have done the exact same. That is my only point
You literally just used titles and wins in discussing Bryant and Saban at Alabama.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 7:30 pm to VADawg
Harbaugh went to two bowls total at Stanford. The Sun and Orange.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 7:31 pm to CapstoneGrad06
quote:And?
Harbaugh went to two bowls total at Stanford. The Sun and Orange.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 7:31 pm to lsupride87
You're having your cake and eating it too.
This post was edited on 12/17/14 at 7:32 pm
Posted on 12/17/14 at 7:32 pm to lsupride87
And? He didn't go to two BCS bowls as the poster stated. That's the and.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 7:32 pm to lsupride87
Results make money.....not projections
What undermines your position is you confidence he would've continued to replicate that single seasons success. You fail to acknowledge him having a once in a generation talent in Luck to pull it off. What about the regression of USC during that time? Did their unfortunate situation not aid in his ONE SEASON?
You also completely ignore the strength of the SEC.......so, the PAC 12 is on par with the SEC at that time? Oh shite! I was unaware Stanford plays in the SEC West!
What undermines your position is you confidence he would've continued to replicate that single seasons success. You fail to acknowledge him having a once in a generation talent in Luck to pull it off. What about the regression of USC during that time? Did their unfortunate situation not aid in his ONE SEASON?
You also completely ignore the strength of the SEC.......so, the PAC 12 is on par with the SEC at that time? Oh shite! I was unaware Stanford plays in the SEC West!
This post was edited on 12/17/14 at 7:35 pm
Posted on 12/17/14 at 7:33 pm to CapstoneGrad06
quote:No I am not. I hate hate hate bringing up titles in college. I like to judge the coaches based on season records. I should have said bear bryant had more successful seasons at Bama
You're having your cake and eating it too.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 7:34 pm to tduecen
quote:
along with turning Michigan State into a solid program
That's laughable. Michigan State was far from a solid program when Saban left. They didn't become relevant until Dantonio showed up
Posted on 12/17/14 at 7:35 pm to CharlesLSU
quote:i ignore none of that. I agree with your points. I still think Harbaugh is a better coach. You think Saban is a better coach. I think both opinions have merit and neither is crazy. We wont truly be able to know unless Harbaugh comes back to college and coaches a Major program
Results make money.....not projections
What undermines your position is you confidence he would've continued to replicate that single seasons success. You fail to acknowledge him having a once in a generation talent in Luck to pull it off. What about the regression of USC during that time? Did their unfortunate situation not aid in his ONE SEASON?
You also completely ignore the strength of the SEC.......so, the PAC 12 is on par with the SEC at that time?
Posted on 12/17/14 at 7:35 pm to CharlesLSU
No credit to Harbaugh for convincing Luck to come to Stanford when it was an awful, moribund program? And it wasn't just Luck that got them there. Harbaugh made that team tough and dominant on the line of scrimmage, and turned Toby Gerhart into a Heisman finalist.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 7:36 pm to CharlesLSU
quote:The same side of that coin is you are saying Stanford is on par with Bama
You also completely ignore the strength of the SEC.......so, the PAC 12 is on par with the SEC at that time? Oh shite! I was unaware Stanford plays in the SEC West!
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