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re: Lets get one thing straight: Harbaugh is NOT Saban
Posted on 12/17/14 at 10:03 pm to CharlesLSU
Posted on 12/17/14 at 10:03 pm to CharlesLSU
quote:We know he is better? How? Like I said, you would have called me a retard in 2001 for wanting Saban over spurrier
but we know about Saban
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Posted on 12/17/14 at 10:04 pm to CharlesLSU
quote:what are you even trying to say here
but the fact is Saban pulled a NC in the SEC (at LSU) and JH did not.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 10:06 pm to GCTiger11
He has compared Saban's first years at MSU and LSU versus the early JH tenure at Stanford.....
Posted on 12/17/14 at 10:07 pm to lsupride87
Hallman was a giant killer........who knew?
So, Gary Patterson or Harbaugh? Who's better?
So, Gary Patterson or Harbaugh? Who's better?
This post was edited on 12/17/14 at 10:08 pm
Posted on 12/17/14 at 10:09 pm to CharlesLSU
quote:Bull fricking shite. buLL frickING shite. I said what Harbaugh did at Stanford is better than what Saban did at MSU. Also, the Saban vs Spurrier 2001 point shows how illogical you are being. Could I be wrong in saying Harbaugh is better? Absolutely. But your reasoning of using results when one hasnt even attempted is insane.
He has compared Saban's first years at MSU and LSU versus the early JH tenure at Stanford....
Posted on 12/17/14 at 10:10 pm to CharlesLSU
quote:harbaugh in my opinion.
So, Gary Patterson or Harbaugh? Who's better?
Posted on 12/17/14 at 10:10 pm to lsupride87
Wonder how well the Niners will do in the playoffs.......
Posted on 12/17/14 at 10:10 pm to GCTiger11
Who do you think is the best coach Michigan can hire?
Michigan can not hire a young unproved guy this time. The best time for try and error is 2007.
If this hire not right, the football maybe dead in Michigan. The president was questioning why do we even bother to do the football thing. Look at Northwestern and Chicago.
JH and Miles are the best coaches Michigan can find at this time. If you do not pay JH NFL money, he may not come.
Michigan can not hire a young unproved guy this time. The best time for try and error is 2007.
If this hire not right, the football maybe dead in Michigan. The president was questioning why do we even bother to do the football thing. Look at Northwestern and Chicago.
JH and Miles are the best coaches Michigan can find at this time. If you do not pay JH NFL money, he may not come.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 10:12 pm to CharlesLSU
quote:About as well as the 05 and 06 dolphins. Youi really want to bring up the NFL?
Wonder how well the Niners will do in the playoffs.
This post was edited on 12/17/14 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 12/17/14 at 10:12 pm to lsupride87
Well, we are talking trends......
In the end, my position has a track record and yours has potential.
Think about this: if any college in the country had a choice between Saban and Harbaugh, which one would 98% take?
In the end, my position has a track record and yours has potential.
Think about this: if any college in the country had a choice between Saban and Harbaugh, which one would 98% take?
This post was edited on 12/17/14 at 10:15 pm
Posted on 12/17/14 at 10:50 pm to CharlesLSU
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My argument is retarded when it is based on reality. Your argument is based upon mainly what ifs and a small sample size of reality.
It is based on reality with a few exceptions.
-You're ignoring MSU.
-The SEC wasn't the SEC when NS was at LSU.
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I think JH is a fantastic coach and will resurrect UM; however, the spinning you and 87 have done has made you both dizzy.
What am I spinning? I've said Harbaugh could be a really damn good coach based on what he has done. You seem to be making Alabama a school that is tough as shite to win at, downplaying JH in the NFL and ignoring Saban in the NFL, and acting like anyone can win at Stanford.
I'm not (and I don't think 87 is if you actually read his posts) saying Harbaugh will be some godsend to Ann Arbor.
I honestly think you're making an argument up in your head based on shitty reading comprehension. MOST of the posts I've seen on the CC board that mention Saban refer to him being a guy that couldn't cut it in the NFL and bolted for college. Harbaugh isn't that guy since he has enjoyed success in the NFL. If titles are your thing then sure, neither have one. However, JH has been WAY closer than Saban was.
Reading your OP, you're basically saying, "Harbaugh isn't Saban because he doesn't have the college success." Well no shite. He was a "big time college coach" for all of 4 seasons. If you're looking at only their 4 seasons then Saban looks like shite compared to Harbaugh.
Nobody is making the argument that Harbaugh is as good as Nick. People are saying that if you look at their career arcs there are similarities.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 10:56 pm to CharlesLSU
quote:
Well, we are talking trends......
In the end, my position has a track record and yours has potential.
Well no shite. One has 10 years experience and the other has 20 years.
Both have enjoyed success everywhere they have been except Saban with the dolphins.
Harbaugh is a proven winner as a football coach.
Saban is a proven winner as a college football coach.
Harbaugh may shite the bed if he goes to Michigan. Nobody knows what he'll do in that position.
All in all, you can't say Harbaugh doesn't have a track record of success AND that his record doesn't point toward success at Michigan.
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Think about this: if any college in the country had a choice between Saban and Harbaugh, which one would 98% take?
Has anyone on here said otherwise?
ETA: If you remove the price tag, who the hell wouldn't take Saban? If you remove the price tag and Alabama, who wouldn't take Harbaugh?
This post was edited on 12/17/14 at 11:00 pm
Posted on 12/17/14 at 10:58 pm to JohnHager913
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If this hire not right, the football maybe dead in Michigan. The president was questioning why do we even bother to do the football thing. Look at Northwestern and Chicago.
This. Will. Never. Happen. Michigan understands football success helps school success.
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JH and Miles are the best coaches Michigan can find at this time. If you do not pay JH NFL money, he may not come.
Agreed. Realistically, those are their best candidates.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 11:33 pm to CharlesLSU
Saban's not even the best coach in the SEC. That would be Steve Spurrier.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 11:50 pm to CharlesLSU
Harbaugh is clearly a better overall coach than Saban as demonstrated by Harbaugh's success at the pinnacle of coaching, the NFL, where Saban failed miserably. Now, as for a college coach only, Saban has shown that he is the best right now - Harbaugh still has to accomplish more at the college level to be on par with Saban.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 2:05 am to Lakeboy7
quote:And saban isn't?
here is my thing, it seems really obvious JH has a screw loose. I get competitive, fiery and all that but Harbaugh is wrapped really tight.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 2:23 am to CharlesLSU
quote:Jesus jumped up and down man! Get your head out of Nicky's arse and take a breath of fresh air, you're starting to sound like your light-headed!
Saban is superior. that's a mighty steep hill to reach the top. A hill only one man will have reached in a given amount of time.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 5:27 am to CharlesLSU
quote:
Saban is the best coach in NCAA histor
i wouldn't say that yet but he is the best right now.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 5:29 am to CharlesLSU
quote:
Wonder how well the Niners will do in the playoffs.......
well, they made 3 straight NFCCG appearances the last 3 years which is hard as hell to do in the NFL.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 6:20 am to Srbtiger06
quote:The SEC was still strong in 2000-2004.... during that time Arkansas was decent, Ole Miss was decent, Tennessee was good, Georgia was really good, Auburn was good, and Florida was good....
The SEC wasn't the SEC when NS was at LSU.
No SEC team was on the level of current Alabama squad but the league was still very good.
quote:People look at Nick Saban in the NFL like he was some sort of failure.... reality was he was average and then left. Call it quitting, but he didn't exactly fail as his 2 year record is better than several other coaches who went on to have great careers. No telling how things would have played out if he had stayed, but in 2 years he was only 2 games under .500, hell after 2 years his mentor was 13-19.
downplaying JH in the NFL and ignoring Saban in the NFL
What Harbaugh did at Stanford is truly remarkable as he turned around a team that appeared on the decline, the program itself wasn't that many years removed from being respectable though. Teevens and Walt Harris were not good coaches (Harris more-so) and Harbaugh struggled his first 2 seasons but showed glimpses of being a great coach and it came through in his 4th season at Stanford.
Saban and Harbaugh both took over programs that had issues (MSU sanctions/Stanford their admission policy) and turned the programs around during their time.
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