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Does our style of "pro style" offense hinder our passing game?
Posted on 11/12/14 at 8:39 pm
Posted on 11/12/14 at 8:39 pm
seems we run a very complicated passing game that has very complex route trees for the WR's and very complicated reads for the QB's that require at least a couple of years in the system and top tier starting NFL type talent at the skill positions before we can expect to get any sort of passing game going. Is this a problem for a college level program that only has 3-4 years to work with the players and may not always have players at RB, QB, and WR positions who will be NFL starters the following year?
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Posted on 11/12/14 at 8:41 pm to boxcar willie
I think our quarterback play and occasional wide receiver drops are what hinders our passing game.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 8:41 pm to boxcar willie
There were enough open wide receivers on Saturday night. The QB just couldn't always hit them....and when he did hit them in the hands, they didn't catch it.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 8:42 pm to boxcar willie
For young QBs and receivers, probably. But it's also why LSU produce a lot of great WRs.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 8:46 pm to LSUGrad9295
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The QB just couldn't always hit them....and when he did hit them in the hands, they didn't catch it.
well in fairness to them, they don't get a lot of game time practice at it. Kind of hard to suddenly turn it on and expect it to work in the biggest game of the year.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 8:48 pm to boxcar willie
I still think we could absolutely kill teams running a power oriented version of Oregons offense. The inside/outside zone read.. it would be incredible with LF7 in the backfield
Posted on 11/12/14 at 8:53 pm to boxcar willie
Boxcar, you nailed it.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 8:54 pm to boxcar willie
When it comes to young, inexperienced skill position players, yes it does. It causes certain aspects of the passing game to have to be scaled down. On the other hand, when a team can run the ball like LSU does, it gives an offense something they can lean on. They key in progressing offensively though is to make the plays in the passing game when the opportunities presents itself. Unfortunately, the players didn't take advantage of those opportunities this past Saturday.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 8:59 pm to bmy
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still think we could absolutely kill teams running a power oriented version of Oregons offense
I don't think we should go to a spread, but if we just ran a power running oriented offense out of a shotgun formation featuring 2 WR's, TE, and 2 RB's as the basic formation. You could put one of the RB's in motion or split them out also at times. You could put a TE in the backfield instead of a RB at times. So much you could do out of that kind of offense yet still keep it simple. Cut the complexity of the "route trees" and QB reads with it also. Gives inexperienced or less talented QB's more time to see the plays develop from the shotgun and easier to make reads. Kind of like what most NFL offenses do these days and most college teams also but we could put more emphasis on the power running part of it. Can still run the ball off left tackle out of it many times a game.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:02 pm to boxcar willie
Good topic for discussion, willie. Well done.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:04 pm to boxcar willie
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I don't think we should go to a spread, but if we just ran a power running oriented offense out of a shotgun formation featuring 2 WR's, TE, and 2 RB's as the basic formation.
This is the fatal flaw in your idea. You CANNOT run power out shotgun. You can run it out of another formation but I will see if you figure it out for yourself.
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Cut the complexity of the "route trees" and QB reads with it also.
This season this has already occurred to a certain extent. If you completely take the option of sight adjustments away from the receivers & QB then limit their ability to adjust routes accordingly to whatever coverage the defense maybe in. By doing this you end up running a route right into coverage when an adjustment could have been made into another route better fit against that coverage.
This post was edited on 11/12/14 at 9:09 pm
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:07 pm to boxcar willie
Ditch the fullback. They're mostly obsolete all across football because more often than not they signal exactly where a play is going. Whatever you gain in at-the-point blocking is negated by more defenders in the area.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:10 pm to bmy
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I still think we could absolutely kill teams running a power oriented version of Oregons offense. The inside/outside zone read.. it would be incredible with LF7 in the backfield
I know that. With Harris starting from game one and running that type offense we would probably be in the hunt for one of those 4 playoff spots right now. But keep that quiet. It will never happen for one thing and also you will be vicously attacked and called an idiot for suggesting such a thing. shite man, I got attacked just for suggesting that developing a better passing game would be a benefit to the offense in another thread.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:11 pm to boxcar willie
I have heard the exact opposite about the routes. Last year with Mett, OBJ, and JL I heard experts talking about how we had a simple passing game.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:11 pm to Rex
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They're mostly obsolete all across football because more often than not they signal exactly where a play is going. Whatever you gain in at-the-point blocking is negated by more defenders in the area.
False. My goodness where do people come up with stuff?
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:13 pm to Topwater Trout
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Last year with Mett, OBJ, and JL I heard experts talking about how we had a simple passing game.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:13 pm to boxcar willie
We should run much more read option from the pistol imo
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:13 pm to BigBrod81
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My goodness where do people come up with stuff?
Observation.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:15 pm to boxcar willie
Mother of god
We need a passing game board
We need a passing game board
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:17 pm to BigBrod81
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You CANNOT run power out shotgun.
You can run off tackle with it and you can have a TE/FB leading the way if you want.
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This season this has already occurred to a certain extent
I'm not talking about this season. The building blocks for this season were put in place long ago. YOu could make tweaks to it but you can't replace it. I just talking about the future and where we want to go as a program.
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