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re: Does our style of "pro style" offense hinder our passing game?
Posted on 11/12/14 at 10:40 pm to boxcar willie
Posted on 11/12/14 at 10:40 pm to boxcar willie
Of course they do. You are talking about two of the most diverse offenses in all of football though. It would be impossible to try to duplicate the numerous formations & personnel groupings those offenses use at the college level simply because of time it takes in practice & film study. It also takes a sharp mind & precision passer to run an offense like that. I'm not sure if you understand how many different tweaks those offenses show week in & week out. Fans really under estimate the time & effort that goes into some of the top NFL offensive game plans.
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Posted on 11/12/14 at 10:43 pm to Topwater Trout
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I really don't see him making that many bad reads anyway. The problems seem to be more with a lack of reps and timing. Lacks confidence.
That's the one constant in all this. From our QB's to our recievers (not just WR's, but TE's and RB's catching the ball also) all look uncomfortable and not confident in the pass game. They look out of their element.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 10:44 pm to Topwater Trout
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The problems seem to be more with a lack of reps and timing. Lacks confidence.
Personally, I don't think it's from a lack of reps. I'm not sure he has much faith in his arm strength & accuracy which is why he fails to let it rip sometimes. He seems to know his limitations & he tries to not let his limitations cost the team. He seems really afraid to throw into tight windows.
This post was edited on 11/12/14 at 10:48 pm
Posted on 11/12/14 at 10:44 pm to Topwater Trout
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AJ is good rolling out to his right...it limits the reads and gives him the run/pass option
I agree.
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We do not cater to his strengths.
I think he needs to develop more than just roll outs with run/pass option. That's the coaches job, and they are either not developing him properly or he is not learning how to make reads despite coaching, and then this comes in...
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I really think it's all about reps.
If they are properly developing him with enough reps, we would see more improvement. Of course, he played better in the second half, but the drops REALLY hurt. I know that Cam has incorporated into practice catching the ball in traffic as evidenced by the ball drills around the goal posts. It's live reps that the QBs and WRs need to improve timing and consistency of execution, and you seem right about the limited reps. The passing reps seem limited due to the run heavy offense and NCAA practice limitations. And when they get limited reps, it seems that the primary targets are emphasized without the time to understand more reads.
Hopefully with more time, Jennings and the WRs will open up the passing game moving forward. It's just painfully slow likely due to the lack of reps/emphasis against live action. You have partly changed my opinion, but still think Les and Cam should teach the QBs to have confidence in check downs rather than emphasis on forcing the ball to WRs as the designed play.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 10:55 pm to Cracking
I just wish they would get it fixed. The defense has stepped it up and to me the only thing holding us back is a consistent passing game. Hell if we could just rank in the top 70-80 of D1 we would be scary.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 11:04 pm to BigBrod81
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Texas A&M, Missouri & Auburn are probably the furthest from pro style offenses in the SEC right now. A&M runs an air raid spread while Auburn is uptempo ground attack oriented. Auburn can hit you with power or get to the edges. There's also a large number of schools that use a blend of spread & pro style but the schools who are strictly pro style are LSU, Alabama, Tennessee, Arkansas & Georgia.
when you watch pro games the one offense out of all those that looks the least like what you will see on Sunday including Texas A&M, Missouri, and Auburn (for the casual viewer not looking at pre-snap hand signals, pre snap reads, route trees, pre snap QB reads, and hand signals from the sidelines) is LSU's offense. So maybe if we kept all that stuff that you say makes it a pro style offense (for whatever reason we would want to do that) and made it look more like what the rest of college football does and what the NFL looks like (the spread, the pistol, running out of different formations, using misdirection, but keeping it simpler like the other college teams do) we would have more success in our passing game. Add in working on it and developing it in real game time situations, maybe it wouldn't be such a monumental task to complete a forward pass. You do agree that the ability to complete a forward pass could make our offense even harder to stop and make the run game even better?
Posted on 11/12/14 at 11:16 pm to boxcar willie
Why does every TE, every RB, and every WR look out of their element in the pass game? It's not just the QB's. Something is seriously wrong. A long with a lot of other things, like the style of offense we run, formations, overly complex or not complex enough pass game, pre snap pro style whatever, it is a lack of game time reps and emphasis on trying to develop a pass game going all the way back to spring and continuing throughout the season that have made it inept.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 11:56 pm to boxcar willie
Our personnel groupings & formations are very much pro style. Just because we aren't pass heavy doesn't mean that the aspects aren't pro style oriented.
We are run heavy right now because the coaches are playing to the personnel's strengths right now. This season we have inexperience at WR & QB. We have a veteran O-Line & a plethora of power backs. The coaches are just trying to win games while allowing the young guys to develop. That's the point you are not understanding. It may not be pretty & doesn't please those who wide open throw the ball all over the field offense but what is being done right now will pay dividends next season. The things you want to implement only add more to the plate of the young skill players. When you do that, you open your offense for more mistakes & turnovers which would lead to more losses. It's basically impossible to change an offenses philosophy & identity like that midseason. That would cause even more problems then what we currently see.
We are run heavy right now because the coaches are playing to the personnel's strengths right now. This season we have inexperience at WR & QB. We have a veteran O-Line & a plethora of power backs. The coaches are just trying to win games while allowing the young guys to develop. That's the point you are not understanding. It may not be pretty & doesn't please those who wide open throw the ball all over the field offense but what is being done right now will pay dividends next season. The things you want to implement only add more to the plate of the young skill players. When you do that, you open your offense for more mistakes & turnovers which would lead to more losses. It's basically impossible to change an offenses philosophy & identity like that midseason. That would cause even more problems then what we currently see.
Posted on 11/13/14 at 5:16 am to BigBrod81
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It's basically impossible to change an offenses philosophy & identity like that midseason. That would cause even more problems then what we currently
never should have come to this. Anyone with half a brain could have forseen this. We are not a run heavy offense we are a run only offense. The passing game has a very week heartbeat. NOt going to win shite with that sort of offense. Far to late to change now. Mediocrity was pre ordained for this season going back to last spring. I wouldn't be harping on it if I hadn't seen what this team could have been capable of. It's done now so who care? F it.
Posted on 11/13/14 at 5:30 am to BigBrod81
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The things you want to implement only add more to the plate of the young skill players.
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The coaches are just trying to win games while allowing the young guys to develop.
We shouldn't be running an offense that is so difficult for young skill players to understand. We are going to constantly be in that situation with the rush to turn pro these days. Last seasons mix of talent and experience was a rarity. Running a simple run heavy offense out of the pistol and shotgun and getting rid of the complexities of the 'pro style' pre snap hand signals, QB reads, other reads, route trees, and other shite you say makes it a pro style seems to be a problem. If its' to complex to learn in a year we shouldn't be running it.
Posted on 11/13/14 at 7:16 am to boxcar willie
No it's miles dinosaur offense.
Posted on 11/13/14 at 7:22 am to tigernation56
Cam told the QB's that he was going to run a 1950's offense if they couldn't make good throws.
Looks like he kept his word.
Looks like he kept his word.
Posted on 11/13/14 at 7:28 am to boxcar willie
3000 yard passer with 1000 yard back..........please for the love of frick.....NOTHING IS WRONG WITH OUR OFFENSE EXCEPT WE HAVE A BAD YOUNG QB'S THAT IS ALL
Posted on 11/13/14 at 7:58 am to boxcar willie
i watched the 2013 offensive highlights...all the passes i remember from last year and from the film i havent seen one this year...we saw a touch of it in the fourth quarter of the Wisconsin game but other than that nothing....its either throw it deep or throw it 3 yards down the field or in the flats
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