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re: Does our style of "pro style" offense hinder our passing game?
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:19 pm to boxcar willie
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:19 pm to boxcar willie
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I still think we could absolutely kill teams running a power oriented version of Oregons offense. The inside/outside zone read.. it would be incredible with LF7 in the backfield
Because that type of running game doesn’t equate with the type of running backs LSU recruits. Those kinds of offenses are for smaller, shifty type backs & not the kind of one cut down hill style of backs we have. It also calls for more light footed offensive lineman & not the maulers LSU has in the trenches. It would call for a complete change in the type of personnel LSU recruits at those positions.
This post was edited on 11/12/14 at 9:21 pm
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Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:21 pm to BigBrod81
What about our passing offense was complex? Please enlighten me.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:23 pm to boxcar willie
I can't imagine why y'all aren't pulling in the big bucks as D1 coaches!
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:25 pm to boxcar willie
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You can run off tackle with it and you can have a TE/FB leading the way if you want.
You cannot run power traps & dives out of shotgun. The running back is too deep for quick hitting run plays. Like BigEdLSU said, you can run it out of the pistol.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:26 pm to Topwater Trout
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What about our passing offense was complex? Please enlighten me.
If it was so simple, please enlighten as to why it was so simple? Enlighten me please but I know you won't.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:26 pm to Topwater Trout
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have heard the exact opposite about the routes. Last year with Mett, OBJ, and JL I heard experts talking about how we had a simple passing game.
well maybe so. Just what people on here keep saying as to why our passing game sucks so much. They say that is what makes it a 'pro style' offense and why it takes years to learn is the complexity of the route trees and QB reads.
Also it's the explanation I get as to what makes it 'pro style' because it obviously isn't the formation or plays (very few pro team uses the I formation as it's primary formation and few pro teams try to pound the opponent into submission running the ball straight at the defense with almost no misdirection.)
They say it is the route trees and QB reads that make it pro style and has nothing to do with formations or play calling.
This post was edited on 11/12/14 at 9:28 pm
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:28 pm to boxcar willie
The fact we are starting a QB who completes less than 50% of his passes hinders our passing game.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:30 pm to BigBrod81
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Because that type of running game doesn’t equate with the type of running backs LSU recruits. Those kinds of offenses are for smaller, shifty type backs & not the kind of one cut down hill style of backs
Quit talking out of your arse
RB1- Royce Freeman 6'0 220 lbs
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170 ATT 960 YDS 5.6YPC 14TDS
RB2 Thomas Tyner 5'11 215lbs
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88 ATT 398 YDS 4.4 YPC 3TDS
you ncaa dynasty all stars are hilarious
ETA: I'm not an advocate for the spread offense, it's just funny to me to read the 'experts' on here regurgitate the same old BS coach speak that they've heard on ESPN 1000 times and just expect it to be fact
This post was edited on 11/12/14 at 9:32 pm
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:31 pm to BigEdLSU
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We should run much more read option from the pistol
I think so too. Just as a change of pace. They could probably hit some "home runs" just by catching opposing defenses off guard.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:32 pm to BigBrod81
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you can run it out of the pistol.
well lets run some pistol then along with the shotgun. Anything that gets the QB out from under center and allows a little simple diversity to the offense and lets the QB keep his eyes on the defense.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:34 pm to Mr. Hangover
Nobody is talking out their arse. Royce Freeman and Thomas Tyner are not down hill backs.
This post was edited on 11/12/14 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:36 pm to BigBrod81
The frick are you talking about man? You said 'smaller, shifter type backs'... Those aren't small RBs...
Freeman is the prototypical one cut back..
You think its normal for a RB to come out of high school Leonard Fournette's size? Come on man
Freeman is the prototypical one cut back..
You think its normal for a RB to come out of high school Leonard Fournette's size? Come on man
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:36 pm to euquol
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The fact we are starting a QB who completes less than 50% of his passes hinders our passing game.
yes, we need to put him in an offense that allows him to have more success throwing the football and develop that offense in real game time situations right from the start of the season not in week 9 against the team with the most physical talent in the country.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:37 pm to BigBrod81
I said I heard experts say it. You 
as if you had knowledge to prove them wrong. Your latest reply proves you're just a dumbass that thinks since we threw for over 3,000 yards in 13 games we reinvented the forward pass
as if you had knowledge to prove them wrong. Your latest reply proves you're just a dumbass that thinks since we threw for over 3,000 yards in 13 games we reinvented the forward pass Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:42 pm to Mr. Hangover
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You think its normal for a RB to come out of high school Leonard Fournette's size? Come on man
you really think Fournette couldn't have success running and catching the ball out of another style of offense? He would have more room to run and would be great catching the ball out of the backfield. A whole lot of big NFL backs play out of shotgun and pistol formations in pass happy offenses. Are Mark Ingram and Pierre Thomas smaller shiftier backs?
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:45 pm to boxcar willie
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yes, we need to put him in an offense that allows him to have more success throwing the football and develop that offense in real game time situations right from the start of the season not in week 9 against the team with the most physical talent in the country.
He has not developed at all between the Iowa game last year and the Bama game this year. He reminds me of JJ in that respect - absolutely zero development.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:45 pm to Mr. Hangover
I shouldn't have said smaller but the fact remains that they recruit quicker shifty type backs & those backs excel in those offenses. Oregon also once had LaGarrette Blount. Like any other school, they won't turn down talent if there is interest but they have more of a history recruiting quick backs.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:46 pm to Topwater Trout
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What about our passing offense was complex? Please enlighten me.
Complexity or not, the QBs are not checking the ball down effectively (yes even Mett) JJ, Mett and now Jennings all seem to lock into their primary WR. Mett was very talented when it came to throwing the ball with touch, velocity and accuracy, but he did force the ball often and get sacked a lot when the primary wasn't there. The QB's development with finding outlets or secondary targets just hasn't been there since Jamarcus was the QB. Jamarcus was probably the most physically gifted QB in college I've seen outside of Cam Newton and maybe Marriota(sp). He could avoid the rush, shake off pressure and was confident with rifling the ball with accuracy and vision. Unfortunately he had his personal problems, but really could have been a good NFL QB if his maturity wasn't a problem.
The problem is with Les' culture of avoiding mistakes in the passing game rather than executing an effective design with precision. When a QB can't find outlets with a quality pass it demonstrates the QBs fear of mistakes rather than confidence in scanning the field. If the play is designed to go a certain way, that's what the players do. No adapting, no good scrambling for yardage, no finding outlets, just do what your told and don't mess up. Even open intermediate routes to the primary look forced because of the fear of putting the ball at risk. The INTs always look telegraphed or forced. I wish the passing game was simplified to allow the QBs 2 easy reads based on coverage and an outlet to a RB or TE or scramble.
Jennings actually played OK in the second half of the Bama game, but the WRs and FBs couldn't come up the catches when the ball was there or, in the case of the INT, Dural got knocked down. I'm actually encouraged in Jennings' after the second half Saturday.
JMHO and sorry for the long winded response.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:46 pm to ecb
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I can't imagine why y'all aren't pulling in the big bucks as D1 coaches!
I'm wondering why our high dollar highly regarded OC's passing game scheme is a train wreck that isn't getting any better as the season goes on.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:48 pm to Topwater Trout
I haven't seen you provide anything close to being knowledgeable in this thread yet you are trying to call someone else a dumbass?
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