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re: Confirmed case of Ebola in New York City
Posted on 10/23/14 at 10:52 pm to WeeWee
Posted on 10/23/14 at 10:52 pm to WeeWee
quote:No problem at all . . . . except the fact public health officials are trying desperately to trace all contacts which occurred while the Doctor was asymptomatic. The bowling alley is closed down. Etc.
So whats the problem?
Meanwhile you are saying, the Doctor exercised poor judgement, lacked common sense. Another poster is saying he should be "shot in the face."
He followed policy to the letter. Did he lack good judgment?
Posted on 10/23/14 at 10:53 pm to baybeefeetz
Why is anybody equating Ebola with the HIV virus?
That's ridiculous. With the exception of getting HIV thru a blood transfusion, personal behavior determines who is at risk for HIV. Don't engage in any of that high-risk behavior, and you won't get the HIV virus.
Stop being such a drama queen, VB.
That's ridiculous. With the exception of getting HIV thru a blood transfusion, personal behavior determines who is at risk for HIV. Don't engage in any of that high-risk behavior, and you won't get the HIV virus.
Stop being such a drama queen, VB.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 10:53 pm to Jbird
quote:Well he's a lawyer. So . . .
Nope he just sounds like a screeching premenstrual feminist hag.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 10:56 pm to the808bass
quote:That same study from that same guy keeps getting bandied about. Even his mathematical model says that there is an 88% chance that the incubation period is no longer than 21 days. What little we have seen of the disease is that most people get symptoms right around 10 days. In the off chance that .1% of the infected will develop symptoms after 21 days then we still have very little to no chance of an outbreak.
Might be longer than 21 days
So we can double up on our quarantine costs over this worry that no one has seen yet while increasing the pressure on the people trying to maintain quarantine... or... we can go by what we know and look for any signs that someone could develop symptoms after 21 days. Should be easy to spot in this country with so few people infected.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 10:59 pm to baybeefeetz
quote:
Just popping in to say i am about to hit full rabble about Ebola. Please talk me down.
Wait for the guy with the Summerlin avatar to calm you down.
He is like the PR guy for Saddam.
This post was edited on 10/23/14 at 11:01 pm
Posted on 10/23/14 at 10:59 pm to mmcgrath
quote:
quarantine costs
Que?
Posted on 10/23/14 at 10:59 pm to mmcgrath
quote:Agree 100%.
In the off chance that .1% of the infected will develop symptoms after 21 days then we still have very little to no chance of an outbreak.
So we can double up on our quarantine costs over this worry that no one has seen yet while increasing the pressure on the people trying to maintain quarantine... or... we can go by what we know and look for any signs that someone could develop symptoms after 21 days.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:02 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
No problem at all . . . . except the fact public health officials are trying desperately to trace all contacts which occurred while the Doctor was asymptomatic. The bowling alley is closed down. Etc.
I don't see a problem with this. Track down the ppl so that if they get sick they know it might be ebola and not the flu or sinus infection. That way they can notify the first responders so they can protect themselves. As far as closing down the bowling alley for the day or a couple of days that is smart as well. The virus dies within hours of contact with oxygen so let it die (even though it probably wasn't spread anywhere) and it helps stop the public panic.
quote:
Meanwhile you are saying, the Doctor exercised poor judgement, lacked common sense. Another poster is saying he should be "shot in the face."
The doctor did exercise poor judgement by going bowling when he wasn't feeling a 100% during the incubation period of a disease that he spent weeks fighting in west africa. IMO he should have aired on the side of caution and gone to bed if he was tired. The lack of common sense refers to the nurse that flew and the lab tech that went on a cruise ship. I was lumping them all into one post.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:04 pm to the808bass
quote:The cost of you being told by authorities that since you may have rubbed elbows with an Ebola carrier, you cannot go to work for 21 days.
quarantine costs
Que?
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:05 pm to WeeWee
I doubt you have to worry about the bowling alley shutting down.
I promise you nobody will be bowling there for weeks.
I promise you nobody will be bowling there for weeks.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:05 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Agree 100%.
Bound to happen sooner or later. Or it could be that soup I got in Princeton 10 days ago... (Ebola ref)
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:05 pm to TOKEN
quote:
TOKEN
Why should we quaratine docs and other healthcare professionals coming back from africa, when they are already not working and monitoring their symptoms?
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:06 pm to TOKEN
quote:It could be closing down for a professional cleaning. Lord knows a bowling alley named "The Gutter" in NYC could probably use a solid cleaning.
I doubt you have to worry about the bowling alley shutting down.
I promise you nobody will be bowling there for weeks.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:07 pm to mmcgrath
quote:
It could be closing down for a professional cleaning. Lord knows a bowling alley named "The Gutter" in NYC could probably use a solid cleaning.
Close for a few days
professional cleaning
change the name, even for bowling alley who wants to go to the Gutter?
Profit
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:13 pm to WeeWee
quote:Again, you apparently have not read the CDC guidelines. If there is danger of contagion, we know how to limit that . . . isolate the patient from contact, aka quarantine. It isn't complicated.
The lack of common sense refers to the nurse that flew and the lab tech that went on a cruise ship. I was lumping them all into one post.
But this insistence that folks who followed CDC policy to the letter are somehow irresponsible is horseshite. If folks follow directives, they are not irresponsible. Your extrapolation now to the nurse and lab worker is dumb too.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:15 pm to NC_Tigah
The only lack of judgement I see is going to that shithole to "help" to begin with. Write a damn letter giving advice, napalm them, whatever, but keep your arse in here. If people feel just compelled to help, a compulsory 21d quarantine should be mandatory. You want to help, you accept the quarantine.
This post was edited on 10/23/14 at 11:16 pm
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:17 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:Come on. At least admit that the lab worker on the cruise ship wasn't using good judgement. In the event that she became symptomatic while on the cruise she would be on a boat crammed in with 4,000 other people in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico.
But this insistence that folks who followed CDC policy to the letter are somehow irresponsible is horseshite. If folks follow directives, they are not irresponsible. Your extrapolation now to the nurse and lab worker is dumb too.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:18 pm to WeeWee
quote:
The lack of common sense refers to the nurse that flew and the lab tech that went on a cruise ship.
Smells like bait.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:24 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Again, you apparently have not read the CDC guidelines. If there is danger of contagion, we know how to limit that . . . isolate the patient from contact, aka quarantine. It isn't complicated.
I have, I even linked an article describing the new ones for you in a thread last week.
quote:
But this insistence that folks who followed CDC policy to the letter are somehow irresponsible is horseshite. If folks follow directives, they are not irresponsible
Flying when you have a fever and know you treated an ebola patient even if the CDC gave you clearance is dumb and exercising bad judgement. Going on a cruise ship, or what my med micro teacher called it a petri dish in the sea, when you handled is not exercising good judgement, but not nearly as bad as the nurse.
Luckily, the lab worker never developed symptoms on the cruise so their is no chance of transmission and to date noone from the flight has become ill. However, if those 2, especially the nurse with the fever, had stayed home the public panic would be much less.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:26 pm to mmcgrath
quote:What was the "expert" contemporary CDC directive in that regard?
At least admit that the lab worker on the cruise ship wasn't using good judgement.
If it was not to restrict travel on a Cruise Ship, would you concede the CDC policy sucked?
Would you concede the CDC applied expertise sucked?
If CDC policy was not to restrict travel on a Cruise Ship, would you concede the CDC Director should resign?
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