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re: Confirmed case of Ebola in New York City
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:28 pm to Tiguar
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:28 pm to Tiguar
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The only lack of judgement I see is going to that shithole to "help" to begin with. Write a damn letter giving advice, napalm them, whatever, but keep your arse in here
Yeah, I can't believe that ppl who are trained to help, want to help. The nerve of those assholes, just let Africa burn.
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If people feel just compelled to help, a compulsory 21d quarantine should be mandatory. You want to help, you accept the quarantine.
Congrats on being a retard. There is no medical need for a quaratine. No symptoms=no transmission (according to current research). They are required to monitor their health and take appropriate actions when needed.
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Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:29 pm to NC_Tigah
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The cost of you being told by authorities ... you cannot go to work for 21 days
Except he said "our quarantine costs." Not a huge debate point. But it's not "our quarantine costs." And an additional 7 days of soft costs per infected person wouldn't be economically catastrophic. Right? Cuz there's so few infected.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:32 pm to WeeWee
quote:Then let's just get rid of the CDC recs.
Flying when you have a fever and know you treated an ebola patient even if the CDC gave you clearance is dumb and exercising bad judgement.
I mean for goodness sakes if those recs are so bad that folks following them to a tee are deemed irresponsible for doing so, why bother with directives at all? Seems like IYO they are giving people a false sense of security.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:34 pm to NC_Tigah
How does someone who comes from a Ebola hot-zone get around family, loved ones, and others afterwards? I know I'm no expert with Ebola, but the last thing I'd want to do is be aorund healthy people after being in an Ebola Hot-zone. This thought process blows my mind and I'm having hard time understand this mindset. Stinks for this Doctor. He's shows unbelievable heart and courage going there to help Ebola and then risk spreading it to others coming back. What a reversal when you think about it.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:34 pm to NC_Tigah
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What was the "expert" contemporary CDC directive in that regard?
IDK, but common sense doesn't need a CDC policy. Do you need a CDC policy to tell you not to freak a bourbon street hooker without a condom? No common sense tells you not to do it.
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f it was not to restrict travel on a Cruise Ship, would you concede the CDC policy sucked?
A policy can't cover every aspect.
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Would you concede the CDC applied expertise sucked?
No. Neither to this date have transmitted the disease to others and in the case of the lab worker she has yet to get sick. The CDC policy is correct that she was safe to go on the cruise, but she should have used better judgement and rescheduled because her vacation was ruined by being quarantined on a ship and she set off a panic. I bet everyone else on that ship didn't have a relaxing vacation.
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If CDC policy was not to restrict travel on a Cruise Ship, would you concede the CDC Director should resign?
What is your question here?
Do I think the CDC director needs to resign? No
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:35 pm to WeeWee
quote:Yet when they do exactly that, you deem them irresponsible.
They are required to monitor their health and take appropriate actions when needed.
Bizarre.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:36 pm to NC_Tigah
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Yet when they do exactly that, you deem them irresponsible.
Jeebus you have not understood a damn thing I typed.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:37 pm to WeeWee
You're a dipshit. Why wait till you're symptomatic? A fricking fever is a symptom and we see how people ignore that. Become febrile, sneeze, aersolized droplets, sure hope no one around you has a nose bleed.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:38 pm to WeeWee
quote:My question was, "If CDC policy was not to restrict travel on a Cruise Ship, would you concede the CDC Director should resign?"quote:What is your question here?
If CDC policy was not to restrict travel on a Cruise Ship, would you concede the CDC Director should resign?
I can repeat it a third time if you'd like.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:41 pm to SquirrelyBama
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How does someone who comes from a Ebola hot-zone get around family, loved ones, and others afterwards? I know I'm no expert with Ebola, but the last thing I'd want to do is be aorund healthy people after being in an Ebola Hot-zone.
If you don't have symptoms you can't spread it. Duncan (patient zero) stayed with his family for 55 hours after symptoms appeared and he didn't spread it. It is extremely hard to spread if you aren't in a healthcare facility having contact with an ebola patient or living in west africa where most patients aren't admitted until after they have been shitting and puking everywhere.
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He's shows unbelievable heart and courage going there to help Ebola and then risk spreading it to others coming back.
the chance of him spreading it to others, not in a healthcare setting, is about the less than the chance D3 Mississippi College beats Bama.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:41 pm to NC_Tigah
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My question was, "If CDC policy was not to restrict travel on a Cruise Ship, would you concede the CDC Director should resign?"
I can repeat it a third time if you'd like.
can you rephrase because I am not understanding it?
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:41 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:There is nothing wrong with the CDC guidelines or the director. No one can write guidelines for every possible situation. However, a medical professional should be able to use common sense when applying the guidelines.
What was the "expert" contemporary CDC directive in that regard?
If it was not to restrict travel on a Cruise Ship, would you concede the CDC policy sucked?
Would you concede the CDC applied expertise sucked?
If CDC policy was not to restrict travel on a Cruise Ship, would you concede the CDC Director should resign?
The CDC protocols aren't legal documents. The are guidelines intended for professionals. The additional professional education and experience should tell that person that in the event they do begin to display symptoms the last place they want to be in on a cruise ship at sea.
You can't look at guidelines and say that following them to the letter is good enough. When you know your normal temperature and it rises to 99.5 then you should know that isn't normal. 100.1 and 101.5 and other temperatures are used when determining if something is significant with someone in the general public. However, this nurse realized her temperature was above normal. Using an assistant manager at her hospital as a go between to the CDC shouldn't excuse her from ignoring what she knew herself.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:42 pm to WeeWee
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The CDC policy is correct that she was safe to go on the cruise
quote:So the CDC Policy was correct . . . until it wasn't, and that's the fault of a lab tech?
her vacation was ruined by being quarantined on a ship and she set off a panic.
You guys are great
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:58 pm to mmcgrath
quote:bullshite strawman.
No one can write guidelines for every possible situation.
We know how Ebola is spread.
We know how to prevent that spread.
The CDC maintains that Ebola is only potentially contagious when an infected person becomes ill. When an infected person is potentially contagious, he should quarantined. If the person is not contagious, he needn't be quarantined.
The Cruise Ship equation is a mere extension of CDC travel policy. The fact the CDC policy would ever allow a person to board a cruise ship if there was risk of Ebola exposure is breathtakingly dumb. Why? Because in the event of symptoms developing during the week long cruise, isolation/evacuation would be daunting.
Posted on 10/24/14 at 12:04 am to NC_Tigah
quote:Where in the CDC guidelines does it say that getting on a cruise ship in this situation is OK? Why do you push all blame on the CDC and none on the Texas Health Department, the hospital in Dallas, or the healthcare professionals? Are the latter 3 a bunch of uneducated children? Did the lab worker or nurse talk to the CDC directly to get advice? No on both counts.
The fact the CDC policy would ever allow a person to board a cruise ship if there was risk of Ebola exposure is breathtakingly dumb.
Posted on 10/24/14 at 12:17 am to mmcgrath
quote:Whoa there Hoss!
Did the lab worker or nurse talk to the CDC directly to get advice?
So if the CDC Guidelines say NO TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS, and I want to travel, I need to know to ignore the guidelines.
Instead, I need to call the CDC personally, have a nice phone call with a phone operator there, and follow that advice, contradictory as it may be to the CDC's written guidelines? Really?
Posted on 10/24/14 at 12:19 am to mmcgrath
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There is nothing wrong with the CDC guidelines or the director. No one can write guidelines for every possible situation. However, a medical professional should be able to use common sense when applying the guidelines.
This would be a common sense view if there had been some huge outlier behavior. There hasn't. A dude goes bowling. A chick gets on a plane. Those aren't uncommon acts. The policy should address them (and it does).
Posted on 10/24/14 at 12:27 am to NC_Tigah
You really are exaggerating the chance of getting Ebola. The doctors are saying with this NY case, it would be "extremely unlikely" someone got it on a subway with him. I saw an infectious disease doctor on an empty plane with a journalist and she was peppered with what ifs and she kept answering the chances of spreading that way are very slim.
And if they're wrong them where are the cases? Duncan flew into the US, no one got it. He went to the hospital the first time, no one got it. He spent a few days with his family, no one got it. The EMS workers didn't get it. The two nurses who came down with it were in settings with intubation and kidney dialysis.
Same deal with these nurses. Who did they contaminate?
If it's that contagious, we'd see a hell of a lot of cases just from those three. And what do we see? Not one person came down with it outside that hospital setting.
And if they're wrong them where are the cases? Duncan flew into the US, no one got it. He went to the hospital the first time, no one got it. He spent a few days with his family, no one got it. The EMS workers didn't get it. The two nurses who came down with it were in settings with intubation and kidney dialysis.
Same deal with these nurses. Who did they contaminate?
If it's that contagious, we'd see a hell of a lot of cases just from those three. And what do we see? Not one person came down with it outside that hospital setting.
This post was edited on 10/24/14 at 12:29 am
Posted on 10/24/14 at 12:29 am to Vegas Bengal
Thousands of folks die from the flu every year, yet there is no hysteria about that.
Posted on 10/24/14 at 6:57 am to theunknownknight
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Confirmed case of Ebola in New York City
Well thankfully we're told that this is no big deal and that Obola is hard to catch.
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