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Great, Poignant, and Simple Picture Re: Teens and Min Wage
Posted on 7/26/14 at 11:10 am
Posted on 7/26/14 at 11:10 am
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Posted on 7/26/14 at 11:26 am to SlowFlowPro
All the jobs that teens used to dominate (fast food, waiting tables, retail, etc.) are now being considered full time careers by many.
They are being forced out of the market by more than just the minimum wage.
The minimum wage is probably the biggest factor though.
They are being forced out of the market by more than just the minimum wage.
The minimum wage is probably the biggest factor though.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 11:28 am to Scruffy
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They are being forced out of the market by more than just the minimum wage.
The minimum wage is probably the biggest factor though.
well 2 things
1. making these wages close to being "supportable" means that "full time careers" will develop
2. this belief that EVERY job must support a poor family on its own is insanity, which leads to #1
Posted on 7/26/14 at 11:32 am to SlowFlowPro
While I believe that an entire generation of teens are being robbed of valuable work experience that will help them throughout life, I can't complain about adults working these jobs instead of staying home & collecting a check.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 11:33 am to LSUGrrrl
You speak the truth.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 11:39 am to LSUGrrrl
it is a vicious cycle though. Teens cant get work experience, grow up to be useless and can only be hired for min wage jobs. Raises the floor but lowers the ceiling- the progressive ideal.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 11:43 am to Tiguar
Not necessarily. There are plenty of kids who graduate from college with no work experience and go on to succeed. It certainly happened more often for children of wealth, though.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 11:46 am to LSUGrrrl
I was not including college kids as they are a different category than the working poor whom the min wage is supposed to help.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 11:50 am to Tiguar
But it is helping the working poor. It employs adults who have bills to pay and mouths to feed instead of teens. I don't like it and wish both categories were employed but if I have to choose between adult employment and teen employment I will choose adults every time. How is it bad that these adults are willing to work fast food instead of watching soaps and eating crap all day?
Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:00 pm to LSUGrrrl
it "helps" but also "hurts". teens not making money , where do they get it now? they just dont? they dont get work, they dont get money, they dont get experience, they start later in life. people do die eventually.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:08 pm to Tiguar
I agree. It's not a good thing. I'm saying it's the lesser of two evils.
My hope is that teens will become more entrepreneurial by necessity because of this. Teens in our neighborhood are adapting by undercutting yard service individuals, becoming certified babysitters with emergency training (available at age 13) and registering with the city. They then "run" their own services or contract with a babysitting service. Others are assisting with volunteer coaching positions and networking with parents to get jobs that way.
It's not perfect but the ones who do this will be ok. Others, you are absolutely correct. Again, the lesser of two evils.
My hope is that teens will become more entrepreneurial by necessity because of this. Teens in our neighborhood are adapting by undercutting yard service individuals, becoming certified babysitters with emergency training (available at age 13) and registering with the city. They then "run" their own services or contract with a babysitting service. Others are assisting with volunteer coaching positions and networking with parents to get jobs that way.
It's not perfect but the ones who do this will be ok. Others, you are absolutely correct. Again, the lesser of two evils.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:12 pm to LSUGrrrl
I guess, you also have to factor in the other ills of a min wage hike. I hate having to choose between two bad options.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:13 pm to LSUGrrrl
What's better?
A poor mother making 15 an hour while her teen makes 5 an hour to help out
Or
The poor mother making 15 an hour and teen is jobless?
This is the sort of thing that happens.
A poor mother making 15 an hour while her teen makes 5 an hour to help out
Or
The poor mother making 15 an hour and teen is jobless?
This is the sort of thing that happens.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:19 pm to Tiguar
To be clear, I am not a fan of a min wage hike that large and I agree it has caused significant changes in employment demographics. I also agree that it would be ideal for both demographics to be employed. I just prefer to employ adults over children, when forced to choose, as adults have a more immediate need for employment than teens. We will pay for this later. Unless, UNLIKELY, our teens adapt and grow the market and their employability from this.
My neighborhood teens are lucky in that many of my neighbors are self employed and their children are raised in that mindset. We are literally fighting over teens here to fill babysitting, lawn and courier needs on our neighborhood FB page. One teen who has summer experience helping his carpenter father, has been working on repairs & trim work. They kid's making bank.
My neighborhood teens are lucky in that many of my neighbors are self employed and their children are raised in that mindset. We are literally fighting over teens here to fill babysitting, lawn and courier needs on our neighborhood FB page. One teen who has summer experience helping his carpenter father, has been working on repairs & trim work. They kid's making bank.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:21 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
Teddy, I've already said that this is not ideal. Obviously, it better for both to be working for more reasons than just additional income. BUT, that's not the choice we have right not and, for me, the better of the two choices is for the mother to work.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:33 pm to LSUGrrrl
quote:
But it is helping the working poor. It employs adults who have bills to pay and mouths to feed instead of teens. I don't like it and wish both categories were employed but if I have to choose between adult employment and teen employment I will choose adults every time.
Sounds like an acceptance of failure. The adults taking the minimum wage jobs should be well above doing those jobs. Not because they don't work, but because they have advanced to something better. Min wage jobs are supposed to be filled by low skill workers(teens) until they move on to bigger and better. You're saying that's a good thing? How the hell does that help anybody?
Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:39 pm to SoulGlo
Duck. Why can't any one read today. I've said multiple times this isn't a good thing. HOWEVER, let's be honest and admit that we certainly have adults out there with no work experience and ARE low skill workers who MAY move on to something bigger & better.
Again, I don't agree with the wage hikes. But I'm not bitching about teen unemployment when we have low skill adults actually working. In going to keep bitching about unemployed adults until every able bodies person is employed before I worry about teens. Sorry.
Again, I don't agree with the wage hikes. But I'm not bitching about teen unemployment when we have low skill adults actually working. In going to keep bitching about unemployed adults until every able bodies person is employed before I worry about teens. Sorry.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:41 pm to Scruffy
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All the jobs that teens used to dominate (fast food, waiting tables, retail, etc.) are now being considered full time careers by many.
This.
And an annoying portion of the cries for mini wage increases center on saying that these jobs don't pay enough to have a career on....in spite of ever being expected to before.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 12:51 pm to Volvagia
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quote:
All the jobs that teens used to dominate (fast food, waiting tables, retail, etc.) are now being considered full time careers by many.
This.
And an annoying portion of the cries for mini wage increases center on saying that these jobs don't pay enough to have a career on....in spite of ever being expected to before.
This is what liberal progressives do. Their economic policies cause a decline in the job market so now they want to make a silk purse out of a sows ear. In other words when your strategy doesn't work, you just change the standards to make your strategy look successful.
Posted on 7/26/14 at 2:23 pm to LSUGrrrl
There's a lot of focus on people who shouldn't be there without asking why they are working minimum wage jobs to begin with.
Recession. Shitty policy that is really tough on small business. The loss of American manufacturing. The minimum wage increases aren't a real solution, but if people have a problem with adults working those jobs you have to actually focus on why they are there. It's not just the minimum wage.
Recession. Shitty policy that is really tough on small business. The loss of American manufacturing. The minimum wage increases aren't a real solution, but if people have a problem with adults working those jobs you have to actually focus on why they are there. It's not just the minimum wage.
This post was edited on 7/26/14 at 2:28 pm
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