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Career Advice
Posted on 7/23/14 at 10:45 am
Posted on 7/23/14 at 10:45 am
I know I'm being a puss but I've got a situation that some of you may have some wisdom regarding.
35 years old. Mid-career. Family, etc.
I have been with an organization for about 3 years. Love my job. People I work with are good. I've done good work and have been recognized by upper management/ etc.
Without having to explain the entire organizational structure, I essentially have two bosses. One boss is in the office I work with and he's a cool guy and we really relate. My other boss isn't horrible, but a complete micromanager that works in another state and isn't really great to work for. Sometimes I feel like an order taker rather than a contributor to the success of the organization.
Both of my bosses are upper 30s and will never leave this organization. Both have 3+ kids, and there are fringe benefits like college tuition assistance that will keep them here. There is virtually no chance to move up in the division that I work.
A job has posted in a different division that I am interested in. I went to my boss in the office and asked about it. He found out a little more and essentially, the job is a lateral move but provides a ton more opportunity to advance. Our organization is growing, and much of that growth is going to be in that division.
I don't know how to go about it. If I say something to my distant boss, it could get ugly. She's been known to be irrational about that sort of thing. If I apply without telling her, it could be just as bad or worse.
35 years old. Mid-career. Family, etc.
I have been with an organization for about 3 years. Love my job. People I work with are good. I've done good work and have been recognized by upper management/ etc.
Without having to explain the entire organizational structure, I essentially have two bosses. One boss is in the office I work with and he's a cool guy and we really relate. My other boss isn't horrible, but a complete micromanager that works in another state and isn't really great to work for. Sometimes I feel like an order taker rather than a contributor to the success of the organization.
Both of my bosses are upper 30s and will never leave this organization. Both have 3+ kids, and there are fringe benefits like college tuition assistance that will keep them here. There is virtually no chance to move up in the division that I work.
A job has posted in a different division that I am interested in. I went to my boss in the office and asked about it. He found out a little more and essentially, the job is a lateral move but provides a ton more opportunity to advance. Our organization is growing, and much of that growth is going to be in that division.
I don't know how to go about it. If I say something to my distant boss, it could get ugly. She's been known to be irrational about that sort of thing. If I apply without telling her, it could be just as bad or worse.
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Posted on 7/23/14 at 10:49 am to anc
Sounds like you work for a bigger company. Talk to HR about it, that's what they're there to do. They'll advise you on what to do. If not, I would go through the process without telling the distant boss. They can't hate on you for trying to advance in YOUR career. Plus, it may give you a wider perspective working for the new division when you move up.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 10:50 am to anc
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She's been known to be irrational about that sort of thing
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She's been known to be irrational
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She...irrational
you don't say
Posted on 7/23/14 at 10:52 am to anc
HR is a good suggestion. I would also consider approaching the boss you don't care as much for and ask for some "career advice".
Word it in a way that you really value their opinion and would like to know what they would do in your situation. People eat that shite up.
Word it in a way that you really value their opinion and would like to know what they would do in your situation. People eat that shite up.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 10:55 am to anc
Most companies have a policy in place in regards to lateral moves and applying for internal positions. I n my experience you generally need the blessing/approval of your direct supervisor(s) for such a move. If that is the case for your company, you would need to talk to both and get their blessing.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:08 am to The Spleen
I'd apply, you got a 50% approval.
Don't worry abt out of state crazy lady. If she is actually that crazy about transfers then everyone already knows it and should subsequently blow her off if she goes off the deep end.
Don't worry abt out of state crazy lady. If she is actually that crazy about transfers then everyone already knows it and should subsequently blow her off if she goes off the deep end.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:11 am to I Love Bama
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Word it in a way that you really value their opinion and would like to know what they would do in your situation. People eat that shite up.
Eh, I never really like that advice because competent people see right through it.
My advice is to network with the other group because it is easier to transition over when there is someone trying to pull you over there.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:32 am to anc
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She's been known to be irrational
Imagine that
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:24 pm to Mr.Perfect
Yeah, there's a lot of problems with it that you can imagine. Type A personality to the max working in another state with all of her subordinates in a different area.
Conference call hell. I've been there. Its real.
Conference call hell. I've been there. Its real.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:49 pm to I Love Bama
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HR is a good suggestion. I would also consider approaching the boss you don't care as much for and ask for some "career advice".
Word it in a way that you really value their opinion and would like to know what they would do in your situation. People eat that shite up
This is the way to go.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 3:19 pm to anc
Very close friend works for CB&I and was in similar position. Usually managers have to "approve/sign off" on your move/transfer, so you should bring it up to upper management first instead of speculating that she will be Bosszilla.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 4:29 pm to anc
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Without having to explain the entire organizational structure, I essentially have two bosses.
I've never understood the need for multiple managers. I can see supervisor > manager, but 2 separate bosses? What is this, office space?
Posted on 7/23/14 at 7:43 pm to anc
I don't really get people like that. Just call her, be professional, and tell her what you are looking at doing. As long as you have more people in your corner, it's her problem if she has a problem with it. Sounds like she doesn't have enough pull to effect it a great deal anyway.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 7:55 pm to anc
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She's been known to be irrational about that sort of thing. If I apply without telling her, it could be just as bad or worse.
no disrespect, but you never know, she may be happy to get you out of her department...could be a win/win.
In any case, don't "ask their advice". Tell them you're very happy where you but want to gain experience in other parts of the company, and are, therefore, going to apply for this position. If the chick gives you a hard time about, take it to HR. Most HR departments are very serious about internal growth opportunities. A good manager supports growth of their staff and understand that good workers will want to move around.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 3:32 am to anc
just looking for the human resources
Posted on 7/24/14 at 8:08 am to prostyleoffensetime
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I don't really get people like that. Just call her, be professional, and tell her what you are looking at doing. As long as you have more people in your corner, it's her problem if she has a problem with it. Sounds like she doesn't have enough pull to effect it a great deal anyway.
This is the advice I took. I called her, was professional, told her what I was looking to do.
I have a 10 am meeting with the VP and her on the phone that is sure to be the awkward "Is everything okay?" meetings.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 8:34 am to anc
keep us updated
Posted on 7/24/14 at 9:40 am to anc
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I have a 10 am meeting with the VP and her on the phone that is sure to be the awkward "Is everything okay?" meetings.
Why is it awkward? You work for a company interested enough in keeping you happy to schedule such a meeting. Prepare a decent list of what you're trying to achieve in your career path and use this as your opportunity to impress the hell out of the VP. Any moment you have to showcase your talent to a higher-up should not be wasted in awkwardness. You're being assessed, no doubt; make it your business to shine. It's not the time to hem and haw.
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