re: *OFFICIAL* Fringe M/TV Board rewatch thread (current episodes discussion p. 60)

Haven't done my homework for this week. Might start on it tonight.

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catholictigerfan

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I had pretty much the same issues that you had with the episode.

Solid episodes though.

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Also, how did Link and Fauxliv shoot the Obs with normal guns?

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Those are the same type of guns that the redhead used in season 4 when she shot September. William Bell created them

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I'm curious as to why the Observers wouldn't have invaded the altverse when they invaded this one.

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Maybe the the other universes are too advanced in technology for the observers. I always had an issues with plot issue

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I remember the days of "using the tank is a bad idea

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Silly rabbit! LSD Isolation Trips are for kids!

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Then all of this shouldn't matter...but I guess, as we've talked about, that's one of the main problems when time travel is introduced.

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I have a feeling this won't ever be explained and it's a huge gripe I have. Can anybody explain that shite to me?

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Yes. Bad writing. What's next?

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proof that the tech being embedded into your spine isn't actually as life-threatening (or damaging to your humanity)

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They didn't just remove the tech. Donald said they experimented on him. Called it reversion therapy, so they devolved him.

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Good job, Mike. Way to go and get captured on purpose.

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He ran the numbers. Remember he is smarter than anyone. I assume he ran the scenarios and the only way for all of them to escape was for him to be captured.

Not sure why the loyalists and observers just gave up searching. Clearly the Gang was near if the kid was there. CONTRIVANCE.

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Well that should be NBD for Olivia since she's broken out of that place in one way or another about 37 times now..

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Great minds! We think alike.

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I'm curious as to why the Observers wouldn't have invaded the altverse when they invaded this on

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Their universe was damaged so perhaps it was too hard to run the numbers over there. Also, it is possible they would eventually have to deal with the Walternate Observers. Too many variables trying to steal an alternate universe.

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How did that Observer follow Liv to the altverse so easily? If the Obs can see someone disappear and automatically know where they went and be able to follow them, then their time jumping skills present even more of a problem than I originally thought. That was instantaneous and he followed her to the altverse in a heartbeat...and then another one (who wasn't even there) did the same thing. Why have they even been searching at all for these people when they can simply morph straight to where they are, no matter what universe they're in..?

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Yup. Load of crap. BS meter exploded.

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Shouldn't the GodKid be able to travel through time on his own with an Observer device? Ought to be a piece of cake even without the device since he is supposedly so much more advanced than the Observers.

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kid can't talk how would he convince them?

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How long have they been back? Once again, the observers sure aren't very observant since Pete and The Gang have been using power, lights and I would assume the bathroom in the old Harvard office for months. I find it somewhat odd, since they tripped an alarm the first time they were there, yet nobody has noticed the alarm was disabled. Nobody has noticed a power spike. Nobody has heard flushing toilets.

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And there is literally a row of windows that is knee-high that overlooks the entire lab that they still haven't covered or blocked. Anybody glancing into those windows could easily see everything going on.

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Here we go. Part of the reason I don't like the finale. Michael may have emotion and superior intellect but Michael was achieved THROUGH The Observers being born and refined. I don't see how you could just jump straight to Michael.

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What do you mean jump straight to him? They know that he was "created." I thought the point was that he was the anomaly that proved that the Obs could exist and still have emotion and love and all that...they didn't have to be robotic people that just didn't give a frick about anything.

Also, thinking about that...what a shitty civilization. Being an Obs must suck. It's not like you do anything for fun, because "fun" isn't something that really exists for you. So you just basically sort of walk around all day tilting your head sideways trying to figure shite out. Sounds awful.

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Nothing like a booby trap that FLASHES RED to warn trespassers of their impending death. That was just plain weak.

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And not only that, but takes a solid 30 seconds to detonate. When you're trying to kill someone who can jump through time and space in a split second, that's not a very efficient attempt at murder.

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They sure love them some monorail but do we ever see it?

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We've seen it several times. Not only in city shots here and there, but isn't that what they got on that time when Peter first started seeing the Matrix when he and Walter were sitting together and Liv and Astrid were sitting further back?

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They already knew the kid was an anomaly. He was already scheduled for termination. The whole testing Michael is stupid. Lets find out things we already knew when we stopped his maturation process and scheduled him for termination.

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Yeah, a lot of things about S5 just feel sort of lazy sometimes.

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Cokes, would you care to explain to me how anyone in the Walternate universe has any idea who Olivia is? Man, they really shite the bed with the whole Peter erasing himself from the universe plot. Ok, MAYBE and that is a real big maybe Olivia because of her treatment she was somehow able to MELD with both universes but they didn't even attempt to explain how anyone else can remember anything about the Peterverse.

Now we are just supposed to believe that everyone in the Fauxverse can remember Olivia? About 30 million plot problems... too many.... error...error.....

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What do you mean? They remember her because they worked together on lots of shite. The last time we saw them, the portal between universes was closing for good, and they all said goodbye, and Link went to the altverse to stalk Fauxliv becuse he couldn't have real Liv. None of that changed...of course they still remember her.

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I'm telling you, Windmark really blows at his job.

Windmark has all these super powers and yet he is as effective as Frank Burns.

The first observer watched Olivia phase out so maybe I get that he could hop. How did the second observer hop universes? If they are constantly connected or they can track each other then the captured Observers were bullshite in past episodes.

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It really is amazing. It's sort of like the Empire losing to the Ewoks. Windmark is not only an Observer, so he's superior to humans in tons of ways, but he also has the tech which he has mastered. In fact, we clearly see that other Obs have the same capabilities. It not only allows them to escape death countless times by teleporting out of dangerous situations, but they can also jump to other places, different points in time, as well as different fricking UNIVERSES. Add that to the whole "calculating probabilities" thing where they can basically see, predict, and affect the future, and there is no chance they should ever struggle with any human resistance ever.

Yet despite all that, they are constantly getting caught, getting shot, leaving crime scenes where the humans would OBVIOUSLY return (like when Etta died or the lab with Nina and the boy), getting one-upped at damn near every turn. It doesn't make any sense, outside of just shoddy writing to make a TV show interesting. I mean shite, even when Peter had the tech in his head, he could use it better than most Obs, and could even affect Windmark's timeline at will. So we get him doing all kinds of elaborate shite to try to "Mouse Trap" his way into victory instead of just teleporting behind him and snapping his neck.

And don't get me wrong, I am enjoying S5 a lot, and really love the show. But there are things that are glaring when it comes to "Aw, come the frick on" with the show. And it seems to only be getting worse as the show progresses. One thing that makes Fringe such a great show is that it was always at least seemingly grounded in reality. Even with all of the outlandish shite they did, they had explanations for it that at least made a certain amount of sense to the viewers who weren't nuclear physicists. But in S5 it's been more about "Let's do this just because" and then rolling with that without any rhyme or reason than them getting to their endgame. In some instances the past was reset so nobody should remember shite, but in other instances it wasn't and people can remember everything. Peter never existed, but then...just kidding, yes he did. And Peter just wants his Olivia back, but just kidding again...it was really his Olivia all along. shite like that.

Wasn't S5 sort of unexpected when it aired? So could this be because they weren't really expecting to get another 13 episodes, so they had to fill them with a lot of bullshite to reach the number of episodes? Seems like most of this could've been taken care of with a two hour movie.

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but in all seriousness with all the skill they have, they must be idiots to give actual humans a fighting chance. Someone with the ability to manipulate futures or pasts would be next to impossible to stop.

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And not just manipulate them, but teleport jump to those points in time in less than a second.

They would (or at least should) be literally impossible to stop. Any time something bad happened, they could simply jump back before it happened and correct it/stop it. Oh, the resistance somehow killed Windmark? NBD, let's just jump back to last Thursday and correct that shite.

And what sort of bugs me is that they already sort of alluded to this on the show. They threw the antimatter device into that portal and that was supposed to create all kinds of havoc on the other end and disrupt them for decades...and then a few minutes later a new portal popped up and it was business as usual since, you know, time travel and all.

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What do you mean? They remember her because they worked together on lots of shite. The last time we saw them, the portal between universes was closing for good, and they all said goodbye, and Link went to the altverse to stalk Fauxliv becuse he couldn't have real Liv. None of that changed...of course they still remember her.

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Yeah, I was so busy bitching about season 5 I forgot the Peterverse disappeared in seasons 3 and 4 was the 2 working together.