re: *OFFICIAL* Fringe M/TV Board rewatch thread (current episodes discussion p. 60)

I just wanted the last word so I was waiting for Cokes to stop procrastinating.

Once more for Cokes.


FINALE
An Enemy of Fate

I still don't quite understand how this works.

Original timeline, some dudes in the future create the original observers.

Observers become dicks and go way back in time and start messing around with plans to conquer the past.

Wouldn't the invasion stop the dudes from creating the original observers? I don't see how they would be able to invade yet keep all of the people and their surroundings the same so they would create the observers.



In fact, I think the observers being dicks would stop the dudes but showing the dudes Michael would make them think it was all worth it in the end. So showing the dudes Michael would result in nothing happening.


Why does Broyles grab all of those passports? Does he think he can go somewhere the observers can't get too?


Ruh roh!


Is Michael conversing with the dead?

Here we go again. Windmark uses the keystone cops when he should be using his own forces to track Broyles. Hell, there should be 700k observers doing nothing but following Broyles but instead we get...


Took them only two minutes to blow the surveillance.

More time travel problems. My brain hurts trying to figure out what happens to Walter if the timeline is reset without observers.

You figure that one. Currently they are in the future from season 4. If there are no observers then Walter should be alive and kicking in the past when Olivia and Peter are at the park with Etta.


Why not!

The whole nature abhors a paradox seems overly contrived so we have an emotional ending.

This is why single timeline time travel never works. If you stop the observers, they never existed so you never planned to stop them so now they exist again.

Reminds me of an old comic I read about time travel.

Some guys are finishing up on their time travel device.

Hey, lets test it out. Ok, set the time for 10 seconds in the past. Ok click.

Hey, lets test it out. Ok, set the time for 10 seconds in the past. Ok click.

Hey, lets test it out. Ok, set the time for 10 seconds in the past. Ok click.



Infinite fun loop time.

How exactly would nature remove them from the past? Would nature create their death, if so they never stopped the observers in the future. Just doesn't work on any level no matter how you try to convolute it.

At least when Peter disappeared, he caused his own disappearance using the machine. Here, it is just a force of nature removing them for no reason whatsoever.

Since the writers don't believe the paradox extends to the dudes in the future once they see Walter and Michael, couldn't September have stopped all of this just as easy by killing the dudes. Done and Done. Keep killing dudes until September no longer exists.



Gene makes an appearance. Walter telling Astrid her name is beautiful. Damn sawdust.



Down to the last 18 minutes. Windmark loves the darkside.



Damn. That was a tad violent there with the observers blown up head.

Breaking out all of the Fringe division case tech to kill the observers was fun.

Still hate the fight choreography as much as I did the first time. Bullet proof vehicles when it is convenient, people spraying hundreds of bullets all over the place (nobody hit), Walter walking around like he is 108. Peter mauled and shot about 5 times. Olivia choked and tossed like a rag doll. Why exactly didn't Windmark snap her windpipe? How did she pop right up.

Did like her last dose of Cortexiphan used to crush Windy. Or did Michael do that.

September grabs Michael and runs towards the portal and passes right by some loyalist with machine guns. I mean like within a few feet. Thankfully someone finally gets hit.

Oh well, farewell Walter Bishop.



Great series. Noble is a beast. Season 5 was a misfire. I liked it on the first watch but it was full of flaws. Lots and lots and lots of flaws.

Always have those with time travel, but they made the observers too strong then made them a bunch of pathetic morons.


Farewell Olive!

That was definitely Olivia in crusher mode. The lights going out was the tell on that.

i thought that as well until i saw Michael

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Sunday afternoon and will be ready to roll discussion on Monday.

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you had better mean it this time or else...

Okay, so I actually had car trouble last night/this morning, so I was at home earlier and ended up watching the finale.

Okay, so now September wants to reset time. But reset it to what/when? He wants to reset it to that one particular time in the park with Etta? Or does he mean reset it in total to where the Observers never end up existing? Because if they never exist then September never exists, which means Peter never gets saved in the lake and there is no happy day at the park because Olivia never knows Peter and Walter even exist.

It kinda sucks to know that as genius as Walter is and everything that the team has done...that none of it even matters at all if September doesn't step in and want to help. Had the original 12 just done their jobs like they were supposed to, nothing to Resistance does would matter (in a weird way, this makes me feel better about some of my gripes in the past).

Hey, Dwayne...does it matter that they wanted to stop the Observers if September didn't want to help?



Cool, thanks.

really cool tech by the Obs to get into broyles's car and hear his phone conversation, but couldn't they just have jumped back in time like two minutes and heard every word? or warped into his car?

Or into the trunk instead of following him by car? I hope you have a big trunk...cuz I'm gonna put my bike in it.



This scene with Walter and Peter is fantastic.

"You are my favorite thing, Peter."



Why are they so shocked and surprised that this super important machine wouldn't work without every piece of equipment or part that it needs? Especially considering how important the piece is? Walter: "It's like having a sportscar full of gas but no spark plug." Exactly. No idea why these grown adults don't realize that pieces are pretty important to machines, especially ones of this magnitude.

Dead Obs floating away..."because it's cool." I love Walter. I'm gonna miss this show a lot.



They don't seem to be at all concerned that Broyles was caught and that their time is limited...he even told them that once he was caught he could only hold off so long before Windmark read his thoughts.

JEAN!!!!



"It really is a beautiful name."
"What is?"
"Astrid."



Michael is September's son. So of fricking course he should be the one taking him through the portal into the future. Why the hell wouldn't everyone be on that page? Why would Walter think it should be himself anyway, especially when there is another vial of time travel juice sitting right there. It's only logical that his father be the one to take him over and live with him for the rest of his life instead of some (basically) stranger.

I love it when they call back to pat fringe events. Them walking through the building with all the loyalists and Observers dying from fringe shite was cool as hell (even if the Obs should've been able to portal the frick out of there lickity split).



Liv bout to go beast mode....yup. I remember thinking that it made for a cool scene, but being disappointed that Windmark went out like that so easily.

I still don't understand the wormhole thing. Okay, so they want to create a wormhole to get to the future and send an atomic blasty thing through it. But why? And then, why would they want to send Michael and September through it right afterwards? If they are resetting time, then what is the point of Michael going through the wormhole in the first place? None of it should matter since time will be reset, right? I feel like I am completely missing the boat here...

They are really lucky it was only September who got shot since they were all just waltzing around in the middle of the road when automatic weapons were firing off everywhere.

White tulip. Awwww.

Solid ending to the series, but I remember thinking that the episode seemed to shove the whole ending into like five minutes, and it felt rushed. I felt the same way this time. I kept pausing the episode to see how much time was left and there wasn't much and so much still had to happen.

All in all, I really love this series. I think it had four pretty strong seasons, and then season five was weaker. However, there were some solid episodes throughout S5, and the show ended with a really good finale.

I'm glad we did this, and special shoutout to the Fringe Tripod, as well as jamsmiley for carrying this thread through to the end.

Can't wait to get into the discussion tomorrow/over the weekend/next week. I just wanted to get my thoughts down in the thread before I left work today.

And now I am honestly a little sad that there are no more episodes to watch.

We were waiting on you

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Liv bout to go beast mode....yup. I remember thinking that it made for a cool scene, but being disappointed that Windmark went out like that so easily.

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I like to think she was holding him in place to get smashed... because he gets stuck while she's draining the electric.