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How would you guys feel about Ryan Shazier?
Posted on 4/21/14 at 7:42 am
Posted on 4/21/14 at 7:42 am
Blues, don't link me bro.
I've seen him projected as a WLB in a 3-4 IF the team has a big nose tackle to protect him (which we do), but from looking at his size, speed and skill set, I think he projects as a good nickel linebacker.
Now, it may seem silly to draft a nickel guy in the first round, but keep in mind that teams are spending something like 60%-70% of snaps in sub packages. I think you saw a lot of 3-4 safety formations last year in part because of our lack of coverage linebackers. Lofton isn't coming off of the field, but if we were able to get a kid like Shazier, he could replace Hawthorne in sub packages. He can be an effective blitzer, and has 4.38 speed to cover a lot of ground if he drops back into coverage.
If by chance Shazier and Mosley are there at 27, I'd take Mosley, but I wouldn't be mad at the Shazier pick. Remember the two weaknesses of the defense last year were the outside runs in our sub packages and coverage in the middle of the field. He could help with both.
I've seen him projected as a WLB in a 3-4 IF the team has a big nose tackle to protect him (which we do), but from looking at his size, speed and skill set, I think he projects as a good nickel linebacker.
Now, it may seem silly to draft a nickel guy in the first round, but keep in mind that teams are spending something like 60%-70% of snaps in sub packages. I think you saw a lot of 3-4 safety formations last year in part because of our lack of coverage linebackers. Lofton isn't coming off of the field, but if we were able to get a kid like Shazier, he could replace Hawthorne in sub packages. He can be an effective blitzer, and has 4.38 speed to cover a lot of ground if he drops back into coverage.
If by chance Shazier and Mosley are there at 27, I'd take Mosley, but I wouldn't be mad at the Shazier pick. Remember the two weaknesses of the defense last year were the outside runs in our sub packages and coverage in the middle of the field. He could help with both.
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Posted on 4/21/14 at 7:45 am to Patrick O Rly
Posted on 4/21/14 at 8:35 am to Patrick O Rly
I've been extremely high on his potential. Everything you can say negative about him is something that can be coached up, so as long as he takes the coaching I'd love to have him.
And yeah we spent about 75% of our snaps in "sub" packages.
And yeah we spent about 75% of our snaps in "sub" packages.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 9:02 am to bonethug0108
His combine and pro day numbers are off the charts...But I'm not too high on him,but if we pick him I won't have a meltdown...I would be happy!
And after watching Latimer and Moncrief highlights...WOW!...Both of those WR's are studs,probably not 1st round but I wouldn't mind either at 58...Barring any one of Lee,Cooks,or OBJ don't fall in the first round at 27...We already know Evans and Watkins are not falling!
Sorry for the hijack guys!
And after watching Latimer and Moncrief highlights...WOW!...Both of those WR's are studs,probably not 1st round but I wouldn't mind either at 58...Barring any one of Lee,Cooks,or OBJ don't fall in the first round at 27...We already know Evans and Watkins are not falling!
Sorry for the hijack guys!
This post was edited on 4/21/14 at 9:03 am
Posted on 4/21/14 at 9:11 am to iAmThatMan
Kinda OT but I think Moncrief will be a very solid pro WR
Posted on 4/21/14 at 9:13 am to bonethug0108
I'd be pretty happy if Shazier was the pick. Someone on here referred to him as a potential Vaccaro type player for the LB group, which I agree with.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 9:13 am to Mr. Hangover
He will IMO.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 9:14 am to mm2316
What if both Shazier and Mosley are on the board at 27?
Posted on 4/21/14 at 9:23 am to iAmThatMan
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What if both Shazier and Mosley are on the board at 27?
Mosley is the safer pick, but you have to be enticed by Shazier's athletic ability at backer.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 9:26 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
That's how I feel.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 9:44 am to Patrick O Rly
I like his measurables and potential but I'm scared of taking another Buckeye
Posted on 4/21/14 at 10:26 am to Patrick O Rly
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Now, it may seem silly to draft a nickel guy in the first round, but keep in mind that teams are spending something like 60%-70% of snaps in sub packages. I think you saw a lot of 3-4 safety formations last year in part because of our lack of coverage linebackers.
maybe that is another reason teams are running the ball so well on us too. The Saints did a lot better last year against the run than they did in 2012 but still.. that was one area where teams still were able to beat us the most it seemed like.
I think some of it is because we don't have a lot of speed at the LB position?
the pass defense was pretty damn good and while having a coverage LB would be nice and all... I want a LB that can be a sideline-to-sideline guy that makes a ton of tackles and who is relentless.
maybe Shazier could do that. I don't know. Never really saw him play much until people started posting some links on him on this board.
This post was edited on 4/21/14 at 10:28 am
Posted on 4/21/14 at 10:47 am to LooseCannon22282
The frequency of our sub packages was a calculated risk, and yes, it did leave us vulnerable to getting gashed in the run from time to time.
Lofton and Hawthorne are both downhill players. Hawthorne seemed to be able to get to the outside than Lofton could. Lofton had a lot of missed tackles because he simply didn't have the speed to get to the outside at times and had to leave his feet in order to have a chance at making the tackle.
Shazier would be the fastest guy on the defense if we drafted him. One of the knocks against him is he's too aggressive at times and will over run plays.
Lofton and Hawthorne are both downhill players. Hawthorne seemed to be able to get to the outside than Lofton could. Lofton had a lot of missed tackles because he simply didn't have the speed to get to the outside at times and had to leave his feet in order to have a chance at making the tackle.
Shazier would be the fastest guy on the defense if we drafted him. One of the knocks against him is he's too aggressive at times and will over run plays.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 10:59 am to Rand AlThor
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I like his measurables and potential but I'm scared of taking another Buckeye
It's pretty silly to judge a prospect, good or bad, based on previous players from the same school. You can find successes and failure from every school.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 11:16 am to Patrick O Rly
I would love it. He's a tremendously talented freak who compares to Lavonte David. Regardless of scheme, Ryan could and would find a place for him if they think he's the right pick. I'm all in favor of going BPA in the first.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 11:27 am to Patrick O Rly
I can't think of a ton of picks I'd be upset with. At 27, I just hope they take whoever they feel is the BPA between OL, WR, LB, or DB
Posted on 4/21/14 at 12:10 pm to Zoombop
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He's a tremendously talented freak who compares to Lavonte David.
While Shazier & David do compare favorably in terms of measurables, Shazier doesn’t play with same physical mindset as David. David is much more of a physical linebacker & he's been that way since day one. Shazier can be taught better shedding techniques when it comes to getting off of blocks but he can't be taught how to be more physical. Some guys have it, some don't. Shazier is the type of LB who thrives on using his athleticism. He doesn't have great natural instincts for an inside linebacker. He can be a really good asset against the pass because of athleticism though.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 12:34 pm to BigBrod81
Just to play Devil's Advocate, when you say say Day 1 in regards to David, are you referring to Day 1 of his pro career? If so, it would be hard to judge what David has done in the pros, compared to Shazier who hasn't played a professional snap yet. While I have only seen a few of Shaizer's games this year, I didn't see much of David at Nebraska, so I wouldn't be able to compare their college careers personally.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:22 pm to Patrick O Rly
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The frequency of our sub packages was a calculated risk, and yes, it did leave us vulnerable to getting gashed in the run from time to time.
I don't know if teams were having success running up the middle or what? Didn't seem like they did.
most of the time it seems like the plays we have trouble with are to the outside... kind of a run off tackle?
I don't know.
its not so much about us having extra DB's in there I think. Like you said, both Lofton and Hawthorne are downhill players. They are kind of in a bind on plays where they have to chase plays on a toss sweep or something like that and also that read option was just brutal a few years ago but some of that was on the linemen(Will Smith).
I noticed Hawthorne making more plays towards the beginning of last season but as the year went on... not as much. I guess he wasn't playing as many snaps.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:24 pm to LooseCannon22282
feel better about shazier than any of blues' other mock picks to us but that doesn't say much.
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