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Free Safety Decision- Should We? Jairus Byrd
Posted on 3/14/14 at 9:51 am
Posted on 3/14/14 at 9:51 am
Was thinking on how there might have been some passing comments to get Byrd but no one was pounding the table for that being THE free agent move that the team needed to make. What would the case have been for him to be a successful Should We? before Tuesday? Thought I'd give it a whirl-
Option A is to re-sign Malcolm Jenkins. I just can't get on board with paying him $4-5mil a year. Just like he was more of a 3rd Rd quality player his value going forward is about the same.
Option B is ride with Rafael Bush and maybe supplant with a lower tier vet or later round draft choice. I like a lot of what I've see from Bush but do not see him yet having every game starter skills. The non-draft pick tender reflects this IMO.
Option C is to get a guy in the draft. There's only one free safety type that is a projected day one starter- Clinton-Dix. It's a remote possibility that he would even be available at #27 at all. He's not an all world player worth moving up more than a few spots over either. Pryor is 1st Rd material but more of a hard hitting strong type safety. Ideally, a ballhawk would be the best fit with Vaccaro. So really no slam bang options in the draft.
Option D Sign a free agent better than Jenkins. Delmas is gone. Ward, Whitner, & Bethea are more of the box type safeties. That would leave two options. Chris Clemons may or may not be better than Jenkins and may cost more. Somewhat of a wash in positional strength IMO. That leaves one player- Jairus Byrd.
Can we afford him? He is expected to eclipse Goldson's 5yr/$42mil deal with TB. At first glance it might seem too much. Consider the implication though- Ryan vitally schemed with safeties. Teaming a Top 3 free safety with Vaccaro could vie for the best safety tandem in the NFL. The defense was ranked 5th but missed one important ingredient- more turnovers. The Saints ranked 24th with only 12 INTs. Seven teams had over 20 INTs. A key part of the defensive turnaround was sacks going from 30 to 49 sacks. If you insert a certified ballhawk like Byrd (22 INT & 11 FF in 67 games started) the D would go from Top rated statistically to true dominating type play (that you might associate more with SF, Sea, etc). Let's make the move! Loomis could give him a big signing bonus and reduce the first year cap hit under $4mil.
Sure, Brees is 35 and we are definitely all in. Still, this makes sense to see this team turn into a defensive power first and for years to come. We should!
Option A is to re-sign Malcolm Jenkins. I just can't get on board with paying him $4-5mil a year. Just like he was more of a 3rd Rd quality player his value going forward is about the same.
Option B is ride with Rafael Bush and maybe supplant with a lower tier vet or later round draft choice. I like a lot of what I've see from Bush but do not see him yet having every game starter skills. The non-draft pick tender reflects this IMO.
Option C is to get a guy in the draft. There's only one free safety type that is a projected day one starter- Clinton-Dix. It's a remote possibility that he would even be available at #27 at all. He's not an all world player worth moving up more than a few spots over either. Pryor is 1st Rd material but more of a hard hitting strong type safety. Ideally, a ballhawk would be the best fit with Vaccaro. So really no slam bang options in the draft.
Option D Sign a free agent better than Jenkins. Delmas is gone. Ward, Whitner, & Bethea are more of the box type safeties. That would leave two options. Chris Clemons may or may not be better than Jenkins and may cost more. Somewhat of a wash in positional strength IMO. That leaves one player- Jairus Byrd.
Can we afford him? He is expected to eclipse Goldson's 5yr/$42mil deal with TB. At first glance it might seem too much. Consider the implication though- Ryan vitally schemed with safeties. Teaming a Top 3 free safety with Vaccaro could vie for the best safety tandem in the NFL. The defense was ranked 5th but missed one important ingredient- more turnovers. The Saints ranked 24th with only 12 INTs. Seven teams had over 20 INTs. A key part of the defensive turnaround was sacks going from 30 to 49 sacks. If you insert a certified ballhawk like Byrd (22 INT & 11 FF in 67 games started) the D would go from Top rated statistically to true dominating type play (that you might associate more with SF, Sea, etc). Let's make the move! Loomis could give him a big signing bonus and reduce the first year cap hit under $4mil.
Sure, Brees is 35 and we are definitely all in. Still, this makes sense to see this team turn into a defensive power first and for years to come. We should!
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 9:54 am to blueslover
Posted on 3/14/14 at 9:55 am to blueslover
You confuse me sometimes with these threads.
Posted on 3/14/14 at 9:56 am to blueslover
quote:
no one was pounding the table for this
Posted on 3/14/14 at 9:57 am to blueslover
I don't think we are all in at all. I think we are preparing for life after Brees by becoming a defensive minded team. I think that's what wins us another SB in the Brees era. Having a top 5 D and a good running attack with a HOF QB
Posted on 3/14/14 at 9:57 am to blueslover
Sometimes I have to wonder if people post just to take up space...
Posted on 3/14/14 at 10:00 am to whodatfan
just my backwards thinking 
I think most all were thrilled or dumbfounded by the Byrd signing. The ones suggesting it most were prolly those who had the least understanding of the cap. So if it was such a great move, why didn't we see it or even call for it? That was the point here- why it was not only a great move but one that had a lot of logical basis that we generally overlooked.
I think most all were thrilled or dumbfounded by the Byrd signing. The ones suggesting it most were prolly those who had the least understanding of the cap. So if it was such a great move, why didn't we see it or even call for it? That was the point here- why it was not only a great move but one that had a lot of logical basis that we generally overlooked.
Posted on 3/14/14 at 10:00 am to blueslover
A retroactive "should we" thread? Impressive
Posted on 3/14/14 at 10:01 am to blueslover
wat
Posted on 3/14/14 at 10:09 am to WicKed WayZ
quote:
I don't think we are all in at all. I think we are preparing for life after Brees by becoming a defensive minded team. I think that's what wins us another SB in the Brees era. Having a top 5 D and a good running attack with a HOF QB
My thought is with this move we are BOTH all in AND building for the future at the same time
Posted on 3/14/14 at 10:12 am to blueslover
we're building ultimately for the final 2-3 years of his career imo (right about the same time certain power houses have to pay big $$ to their all-pro players).
Posted on 3/14/14 at 10:22 am to blueslover
Posted on 3/14/14 at 11:33 am to blueslover
the fact that you took the time to make a should we thread on a guy who we already have and typed as much as you did, wow. can we discuss the thinking behind if obama was to get re-elected
Posted on 3/14/14 at 11:47 am to blueslover
Maybe blues is really deep and not a dog who was trained to use a computer?
Posted on 3/14/14 at 11:52 am to blueslover
Well done blues. Very impressed with this outside the box thinking. At the same time I can see the comedy in it.
I was happy with a modified option B. Sign a cheap, aging vet who was starter but nobody was touching because of age. Draft a guy late. Let them duke it out with Bush.
I would have been very content with Bush as our starter, but I was also one of those people drooling over the possibility of Byrd but realizing we didn't really have a chance at him.
But I even made a thread showing how we could get money and always talk about how Loomis loves those back loaded deals, especially in year one.
I just never thought they'd actually do it. I was floored when it all went down.
This post was edited on 3/14/14 at 11:53 am
Posted on 3/14/14 at 11:53 am to Patrick O Rly
Okay, maybe just me. Just wanted to give the Byrd move some thought as to the how and why- since virtually no one saw it coming.
Posted on 3/14/14 at 3:05 pm to blueslover
This thread made me remember Delmas' visit a couple of weeks ago and how I hoped the team could scrounge up money to sign him. I wasn't ecstatic about the thought but figured he would be the absolute best we could afford and without a doubt, safety was a glaring need. Seems like a long time ago.
Loomis sure did prove to me I don't know squat about cap management though. Byrd>>>>>>Delmas.
Loomis sure did prove to me I don't know squat about cap management though. Byrd>>>>>>Delmas.
Posted on 3/14/14 at 5:44 pm to monroesaintsfan
quote:
prove to me I don't know squat about cap management
kinda my point, there was a case to be made how & why for a Should We? Our vision wasn't nearly as far or as creative as Loomis. The lesson: if a player is a perfect fit but seems out of the team budget, don't stop there. Loomis makes it happen!
Posted on 3/14/14 at 11:17 pm to blueslover
quote:
Was thinking on how there might have been some passing comments to get Byrd but no one was pounding the table for that being THE free agent move that the team needed to make
I have a couple of buddies who turned on Jimmy Graham and want him gone. I've been telling them for like a month that the only way I want Graham gone is if they used that money on Byrd.
Went to a wedding last Saturday and told everyone who talked Saints with me that Jarius Byrd was the only guy I cared about the Saints getting. When the Byrd signing happened, everyone started texting me because they knew how much I had been talking about this.
I do think signing Byrd means Graham is probably getting traded though.
This post was edited on 3/14/14 at 11:19 pm
Posted on 3/14/14 at 11:24 pm to landrywasbeast30
quote:I keep hearing this and no one says why. Please, do explain.
I do think signing Byrd means Graham is probably getting traded though.
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