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If the last 3 presidents have been considered corrupt . . .


And were generally loathed by opposition while in office to the point that even their supporters admitted that there were serious problems there . . .

Does that mean that our government is corrupt?

If we have had 20 years of leadership that has been considered to be inept, corrupt, and full of lawbreaking by its opposition, does that mean that we have just happened to get 3 straight presidents who worked a neutral system in their favor to do disingenuous things, or does it mean that the system itself - America itself - is broken and corrupt?

Maybe it doesn't matter who the president is? Maybe the system itself is what makes these guys into who they are?

I was just thinking about all of the emerging scandals and then I thought about how Bush was hated and how Clinton was hated and how this is more than just opposition being hypocrites.

Have we forsaken the rule of law for expediency in expanding and maintaining American power, even at the detriment of our own citizens? And, if so, who is to blame for this since the beat goes on no matter who is in the White House?







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goldenbadger08
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re: If the last 3 presidents have been considered corrupt . . .


Welcome to the 19th Century?





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Holden Caulfield
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re: If the last 3 presidents have been considered corrupt . . .


And here comes Hillary. When it comes to corruption and ineptitude we're about to see it taken to a whole new level.





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re: If the last 3 presidents have been considered corrupt . . .


I can't even imagine what a whole new level of corruption would look like.





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Holden Caulfield
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I can't even imagine what a whole new level of corruption would look like.

Most reasonable people couldn't. Hillary Clinton is a plague upon this country. I don't believe the woman possesses a moral compass.






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notiger1997
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re: If the last 3 presidents have been considered corrupt . . .


Every president could be considered corrupt. Just depends on who they pissed off.

In this day of social media and 24 hour news, we just like to sit around and bitch about it non-stop to fill some kind of void in our life, so now it seems to be worse for some reason recently.






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re: If the last 3 presidents have been considered corrupt . . .


We refer to that as recency bias







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AlaTiger
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Welcome to the 19th Century?


I get that. We still have this idea in our minds that America is good and the best nation in the world and the land of the free. I am beginning to wonder if that perception gives cover to those who want to use America for nefarious purposes. Perhaps the idea that we are "good" no matter what we do lulls us to sleep so that we do not remain vigilant to ensure that we are actually acting in a good way.

And, yeah, if Hilary is elected, things will keep going. And, of course, the media is complicit in all of this - they even backed Bush in both of his elections and the Iraq War until they turned on him to set the stage for 2008.

If there is something behind all of this and the Media is corporate and controlled, then perhaps the focus should not be on the Media being Liberal, per se. Perhaps the focus should be on the Media simply being pawns of whatever/whoever it is that keeps positioning America and our government in the way it is going whether it is led by conservatives or liberals?

Yeah, this sounds like a conspiracy theory. But, it seems to fit with the way that America has gone since 1990 or so with the end of the Cold War.






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Clinton was what he was but he at least respected congress or congress was t the ineffectual puppets they are today...there was at least a seperation of powers dynamic at work.

Since then the executive branch has expanded and increased its power and authority...it was a stated goal of dick Cheney to do this. He lamented the fact that the watergate scandal had weakened the executive and he wanted to fix that....so guess what here we are with another nixonian presidency....maybe the executive gets reigned back in.






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We still have this idea in our minds that America is good and the best nation in the world and the land of the free.
We are.

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I am beginning to wonder if that perception gives cover to those who want to use America for nefarious purposes.
That's politics.

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they even backed Bush in both of his elections and the Iraq War


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Perhaps the focus should be on the Media simply being pawns of whatever/whoever it is that keeps positioning America and our government in the way it is going whether it is led by conservatives or liberals?
I kind of agree. But "the media" is such a broad term.






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