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I'm not givin Hill a pass but the scrutiny put on this program comes across as a bit much. Racial slurs and fights happen pretty often in BR and other places and its never news


All the kid did was get a BJ in high school and punch a loudmouthed drunk in college. Who has never done that, or at least tried?






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CourseyCorridor
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You're hoping and praying.


What am I hoping and praying for?

What you quoted from me is fact, not hope or opinion. This case is not about the bar fight, it's about the violation of probation. If he ends up seeing a serious consequence here, it'll be because of the thing that happened while he was at Redemptorist and his subsequent violation of the terms of probation from that charge.

He wouldn't be in much trouble at all if all he did was punch a guy in a bar fight.






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LSUdm21
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Or are they strictly forbidden to consider the original charge?


Seriously? You can't use something a person isn't even charged with against him/her in a court of law. It's pretty much common sense.






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In the big picture, I would hope they would be able to consider the original charge in these kinds of cases.


What???






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ProjectP2294
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I would hope they would be able to consider the original charge in these kinds of cases. At the same time, I'd hate to see Hill get crucified here too.

These are contradictory statements.






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CourseyCorridor
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These are contradictory statements.


Not necessarily. I think the court should have discretion. If a guy pleas down from a serious charge because the DA thinks it's at risk of losing a case, that should not be treated the same as somebody pleads guilty to a minor misdemeanor charge because that's all he's suspected of being charged with.

If that's the case, then in the Hill case, it would come down to what the DA and the court thinks happened in the Redemptorist case. If they think it was something serious, they might treat it one way, but if they think, as suggested here, that it was just a senior getting a BJ from a freshman, then they might treat it as a minor misdemeanor.

I have heard that the latter scenario is true, but I don't KNOW it to be true. If it's not true and if the DA thinks something more serious happened, then I would hope they could take that under consideration when they review his probation.

That make sense?




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danfraz
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Yeah I was going to point that out with a wow but it's just not worth it sometimes.

If that were the case, the system would be overrun with "re-dos" of things already decided

And I'm not a lawyer so maybe I'm way off base






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djrunner
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So it's miles job to baby sit 18-23 year old kids all year long?


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No, discipline. Inform them that if any weird shite happens, they will lose their privileges of playing for the LSU football team. I understand some are uncontrollable like Aaron Hernandez, but if a coach can't keep control of at least the main starters each season, then we are destined to be in decline. Lay down the law, and I think most people will be surprised at how quickly the message will settle in.


My God, so you assume that this wasn't done!!!

Really. Ygbfkm.




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CourseyCorridor
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If that were the case, the system would be overrun with "re-dos" of things already decided


It wouldn't be a redo. There is no law that says a judge HAS TO or CAN'T revoke probation after a violation, right? So there is some discretion. I'm just wondering what can be taken into consideration when exercising this discretion.






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danfraz
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He plead to carnal knowledge correct?

I don't not believe even a violation of his probation can undo that plea and reinstate a tougher charge

That is what I took your post as and I think others did as well.

He can and possible did violate his probation but once he's plead to a charge I think that's it. If the judge revokes probation he would serve time for the carnal knowledge thing

An again that is civics from high school so I could be off since that was 30 years ago






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One thing I do wish les would do is recruit more high character players .
I'd take a Jarrett lee, jacob Hester, and an Eric Reid over those other three mentioned everyday of the week.

The problem is they aren't the ones that are good at football






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LSUdm21
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I'm just wondering what can be taken into consideration when exercising this discretion.


It wouldn't be legally ethical for a judge to take into consideration the original charge before he pleaded down.






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TxTiger82
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Hill is done at LSU


Well if his probation is revoked he's going to jail, so yeah, he'd be done just like that.






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High C
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I think that it's pretty simply in the hands of the judge. Discretion will be based on nothing more than the definition of the term. My question is can the ADA realistically "pressure" the judge to revoke?





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EarthwormJim
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If a guy pleas down from a serious charge because the DA thinks it's at risk of losing a case, that should not be treated the same as somebody pleads guilty to a minor misdemeanor charge because that's all he's suspected of being charged with.


What? Why not? People are overcharged all the time.






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That LSU Guy
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I didn't realize we had so many posters that had a legal background.





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CourseyCorridor
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He can and possible did violate his probation but once he's plead to a charge I think that's it. If the judge revokes probation he would serve time for the carnal knowledge thing


This is where discretion comes in. The judge doesn't have to revoke his probation, or she might. In deciding whether or not to revoke it, may she consider all the facts that surrounded his original plea deal -- the whole case -- or just the plea deal itself?

Obviously, I'm not proposing double jeopardy. I'm just saying there is discretion in how the court can handle this within the context of the plea deal. If he goes to jail, it would be carnal knowledge, not for sexual assault or, for that matter, punching a guy at a bar.




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So how is Rivals going to give us a recruit's measurables in "moral character"?
And I am not so sure how realistic some of the self annointed scolds are who post here about the gravity of Hill's HS crime.
The girl wanted to give him a BJ.Put yourself in his place: are you going to tell her to come back after you've had time to consider it and consult a lawyer?
If so, you're not the kind of HS kid most of us know....






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LSUdm21
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This is where discretion comes in. The judge doesn't have to send him to revoke his probation, but may she consider all the facts that surrounded his original plea deal -- the whole case -- or just the plea deal itself?

Obviously, I'm not proposing double jeopardy. I'm just saying there is discretion in how the court can handle this within the context of the plea deal. And all the facts that surrounded the original case -- and not just the plea deal itself -- might be considered when judging how to handle the case.


Are you fricking serious with this shit? I've told you 6 fricking times already. In the eyes of the court, the original charge is gone, disappeared, doesn't exist. Any judge that would bring that up would be removed.






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GeauxGus
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"...I'm really starting to get pissed at Miles for this.. "

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.... you're pissed at MILES for this ?? WTF ? .... be pissed at HILL
numbskull ... CLM cannot follow these guys around 24/7 .. everyone responsible for their own behavior ... LSU players get TONS of counseling and direction and oversight .. about as much as possible ...






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