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La Place Mike
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He was the original architect.


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No. The only commonality is the individual mandate. And that's about it.

This.

Romney also believed it to be a State's issue not a Federal issue. A huge difference.






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jcole4lsu
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Romney also believed it to be a State's issue not a Federal issue. A huge difference.

Oh please.
Romney is just another big govt progressive and if he had a D by his name the dems would beat off in joy to vote for him.






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taylork37
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If you were anything but a sheep, yes


Oh, Im glad you have me all figured out.











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CITWTT
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No employee of the government at any level should be exempt from the laws established by the entity that provides them with a job. In the end of it we are thier bosses, and they should be required to live with the same bitter pills daily.





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Taxing Authority
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The insurance companies will be regulated as to what type of plans they can offer to the public. The wealthy will have better health care because they will be able to patronize the boutique practices not because they will have access to some thing better offered by the insurance companies.
Exactly. You will be forced to buy insurance, you'll likely never use it, while you simultaneously pay for boutique or COD medical treatment. Just like you pay taxes and private school tuition in NOLA.

Of course getting an expensive illness that can't be paid for out-of-pocket (you'd have to use that 'public' insurance) will be a defacto death sentence. Just like it is now.

Nothing's going to really change... Except those that the government considers "rich" (which includes the middle class) will pay twice instead of only once.

This won't hurt the(actual) rich that much, but its going to crush the upper half of the middle class.



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Taxing Authority
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Romney also believed it to be a State's issue not a Federal issue. A huge difference
the biggest difference to me is in the implementation. The insurance regulations are entirely different. to simplify... Just look at the page counts between the two bills. There few similarities.



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La Place Mike
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Romney is just another big govt progressive and if he had a D by his name the dems would beat off in joy to vote for him.

Probably but there is a big difference between state enacted mandated health care and Federally mandated health care.






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Romney also believed it to be a State's issue not a Federal issue. A huge difference.



This is a fact, I agree.

Romeny's design was copied on the Federal level for which it wasn't intended and at the time and I thought should be an unconstitutional application (thank you Mr. Roberts).

But even on a constitutional state level, it still smacks of statism.






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chadau79
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Obamacare is "supposed" to great for the uninsured...not the already insured.


Correct, Obamacare will be great for the poor and uninsured who don't have to pay for it, and fricking terrible for the already insured.






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La Place Mike
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Exactly. You will be forced to buy insurance, you'll likely never use it, while you simultaneously pay for boutique or COD medical treatment. Just like you pay taxes and private school tuition in NOLA.

Of course getting an expensive illness that can't be paid for out-of-pocket (you'd have to use that 'public' insurance) will be a defacto death sentence. Just like it is now.

Nothing's going to really change... Except those that the government considers "rich" (which includes the middle class) will pay twice instead of only once.

This won't hurt the(actual) rich that much, but its going to crush the upper half of the middle class.
Thank you fro expounding on my post.






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La Place Mike
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This is a fact, I agree.

Romeny's design was copied on the Federal level for which it wasn't intended and at the time and I thought should be an unconstitutional application (thank you Mr. Roberts).

But even on a constitutional state level, it still smacks of statism.
yes it does. I see we reside in the same Republic.






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jcole4lsu
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This won't hurt the(actual) rich that much, but its going to crush the upper half of the middle class.

Hmmmm
elevate the already really rich
crush those just below that to the same class as the rest the population. essentially create two waring classes instead of several "stair step" levels as we have now.

where have we seen that before?






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Taxing Authority
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elevate the already really rich
crush those just below that to the same class as the rest the population. essentially create two waring classes instead of several "stair step" levels as we have now.
Intentional or not that does seem to be the obvious outcome.

I think proponents believe government intervention will equalize healthcare outcome. That takes the naïveté of a kindergartener and complete ignorance of what has happened with analogues like education. Increased government intervention has led to greater differences between public and private. Not smaller.

It takes even more naïveté to think that universal care will lead to equalization through raising the care of the poor to equal the care of the rich -- rather than lowering the care of the rich down to the level of care the poor receives.

The reality is, it's much easier (politically and economically) to lower the quality of care for the small rich minority, rather than raise the quality of care for the more numerous poor.

Government (as life) tends to follow the easiest path. It is entirely predictable.



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moneyg
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Romney also believed it to be a State's issue not a Federal issue. A huge difference.



...and he openly wanted to kill Obamacare. JCole is being intellectually dishonest.






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austingator
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PPACA was touted as healthcare reform that would be good for everyone. All it will do is increase the premiums for most people. The wealthy will still have better care and the middle class will have crappier care.


No liberal believed this when I repeated it to them. The middle class will continue to get crushed, and with Obamacare they will get screwed royally.






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RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Maybe I don't get it, please tell me if I don't, but Obamacare is meant to insure the currently uninsured. If you have currently have health insurance in the private sector you can keep your existing insurance.

Why should this change with government employees who already have an existing health insurance plan?

This Bill does that.
The Awakening is happening. Forward!






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pronto
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Obamacare challenges economy
and that's something to worry about






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doubleb
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Maybe I don't get it, please tell me if I don't, but Obamacare is meant to insure the currently uninsured. If you have currently have health insurance in the private sector you can keep your existing insurance


YOU MAY GET TO KEEP YOUR SAME INSURANCE CARRIER BUT YOU CAN'T KEEP THE SAME INSURANCE POLICY YOU ONCE HAD.

That's what people do not understand.

The insurance companies by law were told to remove caps on your policy, cover more people (for instance 26 year olds living at home), and to include certain services you may have or hadn't had already (say birth control pills), and to cover pre existing conditions.

You may or may not want these "extras" but now you must purchase them even if you do not change insurance companies.

And as you might expect, you get charged more because no one can provide all these extra benefits to you free of charge.

It is rally that simple.

Trust me, my expense for my wife and I jumped from 900+ bucks a month for both of us to over 1100 bucks a month. I still pay the same insurance carrier, etc. but I pay them more and I don't have a 26 year old at home, we don't need birth control pills, but you never know we could have surpassed our cap one day.

No one is keping htie same policy. All policies had to be changed under Obamacare.






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bayouboy33
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Just curious, do you guys think only Dems work for the government? That all gubment employees are liberals? I am a hardcore conservative that has NEVER voted Dem yet I get grouped in with the "free-loading" liberals because I work (yes i actually work) for the gubment. The ploy that this POS repub senator is trying to pull will hurt many conservatives as well, but I'm sure he will be ok with that as long as it pisses off a single dem.





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SSpaniel
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No one is keping htie same policy. All policies had to be changed under Obamacare.


Unless your policy/plan was in effect before sometime in March, 2010, in which case it can be considered a grandfathered health care plan. Those are exempt from many of the changes of Obamacrap. I bet the rates of those plans aren't grandfathered, though!!!






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